EVE General Discussion

So where was it that they said you can't use ISBoxer? i believe you stlil can. you just can't use the broadcast feature unless, as they said is logging in and whatnot.

Shrug. Honestly in my opinionI don't see much changing.

I mostly use isboxer for the video FX features and windows layouts. so in theory i could easily switch to something like https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=246157&find=unread if they did completely ban isboxer


It took me all of hour maybe to switch things tonight to be legit in two different ways one without isboxer and one with

First opinion you can use logitech or whatever software with a gaming pad or keyboard with programmable keys.

example I could of easily set it so 1st time i hit g3 button button on my logitech keyboard it sends as Command to switch to Window 1 + F1 next press switch to Window2 + F1 and on through the list. I could easily press the key 10 times in next to no time. 10 clients 10 key presses it's legal.

the command to switch the windows is happening on your machine not in game and not affecting the in game actions so its legal in my opinion but I can see some fighting the point.

Downsides This means setting up a ton of hot keys but still easy enough.
if you have one of your guys parked(afk cloaking) or not logged in you need to either modify the list or risk uncloaking or have wasted keystrokes.

Second option isboxer, I can make a round robin key with a action target group. each time I press the button it sends my desired key stroke to one character in the group until its sent it to all of them. 10 characters 10 key presses all legit

advantage if a character slot isn't actually running it won't try to send a keystroke to that character. if i want to park them (afk cloaking) somewhere changing the group membership takes next to no time.


Targeting I have always done manually too unreliable im my opinion to automate

I know in logitech you can set a button to ctrl + left MB click at a given screen coordinate so also setup your broadcast windows i the same paces. 10 button pushes 10 locked targets in what 1-2 seconds ?

I expect you can do the same with other vendors software also.

isboxer I can do this several different ways I would prolly go where do like before just add the Video Fx feature

just means it opens a little video fx(think video feed of a given size) around current mouse location so i can see where my mouse is on that character screen click and it sends a ctrl left click 10 key presses and 10 left clicks 10 locked targets
with broadcast windows again you can easily lock targets in a nominal amount of time.

it wouldn't be a pure 100% alpha strike like you can with broadcast targeting however the time difference will be for most part insignificant in my opinion.


Moving around I never move all my guys at once through jumps with broadcast it's stupid and asking for you to lose stuff something is always eventually going to go wrong. So whatever.


If I'm moving around in system use fleet warp and done.


So we've covered targeting, activating modules/weapons and basic movement in legit ways with only the barest of time increases but there is a slight delay


I just don't see how it's going to change very much at all other than to be a way to ban the stupid or lazy folks that don't time to set things up right and legit.

I'm actually more concerned about False positives.

if CCP is relying solely on time delays between clients showing a key press to detect broadcasts thats just not going to work.

I can press one key 10 times in a second easily. thats 0.1 seconds per key press or 100MS and as I showed above that will send the commands i need legitimately.

so I expect CCP is going to include other standards for detecting broadcasts than just time. I also know they'll never tell us what they are and I don't blame them for not telling us either.

because in both solution I listed above you could build in buffer time delays between the key presses of a variable amount
so its never the same amount which can be used to try defeat time detections but frankly im pressing the key 10 times i dont need to add in crazy time delays

That's my only concern about this change is getting tagged as breaking the rules when I'm not.

I give CCP credit for trying to address what they perceive as a issue by the community.

It took courage knowing it was going to **** off a lot of folks and cost them subscriptions because the feeling is this is what the community wants.

But ultimately I don't think It's going to change a thing.

We are all a bunch of crazy inventive people when we choose to be and quit trolling each other.

I'm sure someone has already thought of even better and legit ways of doing things than I listed above too. Multiboxing in this game is worth the effort of thinking up legit solutions so it's not going anywhere.

actions taken that do not have an impact on the EVE universe and are carried out for convenience:

• Window positions and arrangements (of the EVE Online client in your operating system’s desktop environment)

In very very rare occasions I've used it to repeat, but that was a long time ago when naga ratting was a thing. I've mainly used it to manage windows when fcing or scouting.

You can very easily randomize the delay using most software solutions.

Let me rephrase that a little bit.

Yes, you do suffer an efficiency loss in other activities. But in comparison to having to deal with CONCORD during a suicide-gank, it's so minor that it's practically meaningless. Does the extra second it takes you to switch between accounts make a difference in how much money you make using 3-minute-duration strip miners, or when you're shooting an NPC that takes 3 minutes of focused firepower from a dozen ships to die? Yes, it does, to the tune of half a percentage point.

For a suicide-ganker, it would be the difference between using 10 ships, and 15.

My stand on ISBOXER's mirror ability has longtime been for *ease of use* or to excessively use a mechanic in the game that is inherently broken or overpowered. While I do support the removal of isboxer for BOMBing runs and maybe suicide ganking, overall the rest of the uses for it aren't too overpowered. I am worried about the economic inpact with the number of isboxing miners that will probably quit. Mining Sucks, if someone wants to use isboxer to mine it should be fair game.

Indeed, which is why I think short multi-keystroke macros from mice and keyboards to a single client should not be an issue. I'd like CCP to actually clarify this point though, as it seems to be a recurring question in this thread that's not been answered.