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Update regarding Multiboxing and input automation

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viverxia
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#601 - 2014-11-25 19:54:01 UTC
Mr Omniblivion wrote:
RoAnnon wrote:
Mr Omniblivion wrote:
This is ironic but the logical change next to be made is to nerf afk cloaking.

Sure, that's logical, since an AFK cloaked pilot has absolutely no way to interact with the game at all... perfect sense there... Roll


CCP is directly nerfing the force projection that one player can have affect on others in Eve.

What do you think afk cloaking is?

Pirate



Their time shall come.. and then the tears will flow
Grim Starwind
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#602 - 2014-11-25 19:54:34 UTC
Holy crap, how some people can't understand this and yet still manage to play EVE is amazing.

If you use a program to somehow input the same action in to more than one account at the exact same time, you are being illegal. It is not allowed.

If you have a keyboard macro that inputs F1-F5 one after the other to activate say a bunch of hardness. That is okay.

Pretty basic poop here. I dunno if it's more to counter isboxer bombers or more than likely farmers mining using 10 accounts all at once. Which you can still do but with more effort.
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#603 - 2014-11-25 19:54:54 UTC
Toria Nynys wrote:
With everyone screaming about unsubbing as a result of that I just have to pipe up with:

+4 accounts re-subbed while my ISK lasts and 1 with $. After thinking about it longer this is a fantastic and long overdue policy change.



Hell I'm debating on making a 3rd account now.

What CCP lost is 100 people who used ingame plex to destroy ccp's bandwidth (CCP never saw a dime). Maybe I'm wrong and the guy who had 80 accounts actually paid $1,200 per month to keep them all running. I doubt it.

Bravo CCP. Bravo.

Yaay!!!!
Gommel Nox
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#604 - 2014-11-25 19:55:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Gommel Nox
Aerious wrote:
Goon tears are the best tears!


Aren't they just? However, there was a matter that I wanted to put to the developers, however I cannot be bothered to read through all thirtysomething pages of this thread to see if you've already addressed it. The matter is this: for the past 11 years I have been a quadriplegic, completely lacking the ability to move my hands above the wrist, including my fingers. I've always said to people in and out of the disabled community that eve online is a fantastic game to play if you have limited mobility. The user interface, coupled with its reliance on the mouse as an input, can make it a fantastic game to play, depending on what adaptive equipment and software you may have.

In my own personal case, I have to use voice recognition in order to type. For that I use Dragon NaturallySpeaking, and it's worked fine. However, my lack of mobility has at times translated to **** poor playing, especially in the PVP arena. To address this, I've used custom macros within Dragon NaturallySpeaking, as well as the software say2play, which translates certain voiceCommands into keystrokes. Certain actions like deploying/retrieving drones, Firing on a target that's locked, or even stopping my ship. According to the OP, Software like this is banworthy. So I would like to know, ones and for all, what CCP's position is on adaptive hardware and software for disabled people like myself.
Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#605 - 2014-11-25 19:55:21 UTC
JIeoH Mocc wrote:
Zishy Linaris wrote:
goodbye ccp. 12 accounts unsubbed as of now. i feel bullshitted for my time i invested but **** happens


I've a feeling that, by this rate - this thread is going to account for more unsubbed characters than there were ever subbed.

(Obligatory your stuff, can i haz remark)


Is anyone keeping count? :-)

Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..." " They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want."

Welcome to EVE.
Hendrick Tallardar
Doomheim
#606 - 2014-11-25 19:55:51 UTC
I like this change, good job CCP.
Komi Toran
Perkone
Caldari State
#607 - 2014-11-25 19:57:37 UTC
Curse you, CCP! Now what am I to use to scapegoat all my problems!?
FunGu Arsten
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#608 - 2014-11-25 19:58:31 UTC
Xython wrote:
corebloodbrothers wrote:
Also the dude iskboxing 20 mining accounts wasnt going to use those too activly use those to make eve a more exciting place, rather then his own gain.


"The dude" is up to over 80, actually, according ot the iskboxer dev.


funny thing is... he doesn't actualy need "broadcasting"/"automation functions".. and i hope he keeps mining them ice :D
Cyaron wars
Academia RED HOT Corporation
#609 - 2014-11-25 19:58:38 UTC
Wait, no more single player 10 man talos gangs in sanctums around Deklein region?
Raneru
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#610 - 2014-11-25 20:00:00 UTC
Epic change.

Seriously, if you want to control an entire fleet of ships simultaneously and single handedly, go play Sins of a solar empire..
trader joes Ichinumi
Doomheim
#611 - 2014-11-25 20:00:12 UTC
Gommel Nox wrote:
Aerious wrote:
Goon tears are the best tears!


Aren't they just? However, there was a matter that I wanted to put to the developers, however I cannot be bothered to read through all thirtysomething pages of this thread to see if you've already addressed it. The matter is this: for the past 11 years I have been a quadriplegic, completely lacking the ability to move my hands above the wrist, including my fingers. I've always said to people in and out of the disabled community that eve online is a fantastic game to play if you have limited mobility. The user interface, coupled with its reliance on the mouse as an input, can make it a fantastic game to play, depending on what adaptive equipment and software you may have.

In my own personal case, I have to use voice recognition in order to type. For that I use Dragon NaturallySpeaking, and it's worked fine. However, my lack of mobility has at times translated to **** poor planning, especially in the PVP arena. To address this, I've used custom macros within Dragon NaturallySpeaking, as well as the software say2play, which translates certain voiceCommands into keystrokes. Certain actions like deploying/retrieving drones, Firing on a target that's locked, or even stopping my ship. According to the OP, Software like this is banworthy. So I would like to know, ones and for all, what CCP's position is on adaptive hardware and software for disabled people like myself.


Reread the op. It specifically targets people using macros to control multiple clients at once.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#612 - 2014-11-25 20:00:21 UTC
Komi Toran wrote:
Curse you, CCP! Now what am I to use to scapegoat all my problems!?


AFK Cloaking, Highsec Ganking, Goons, CODE., and General Discussion Trolls are all pretty solid bets. Take your pick.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Algathas
Swamp Panthers
SONS of BANE
#613 - 2014-11-25 20:00:26 UTC
Thank you CCP for having the guts to finally do what needed to be done to remove this scourge from EVE.
Kagehisa Shintaro
Back Door Burglars
#614 - 2014-11-25 20:00:45 UTC
Phoenix Jones wrote:
Toria Nynys wrote:
With everyone screaming about unsubbing as a result of that I just have to pipe up with:

+4 accounts re-subbed while my ISK lasts and 1 with $. After thinking about it longer this is a fantastic and long overdue policy change.



Hell I'm debating on making a 3rd account now.

What CCP lost is 100 people who used ingame plex to destroy ccp's bandwidth (CCP never saw a dime). Maybe I'm wrong and the guy who had 80 accounts actually paid $1,200 per month to keep them all running. I doubt it.

Bravo CCP. Bravo.


Whether he paid €/$ or PLEX'ed off market matters not. Someone paid for the PLEX. CCP got their dime ($15 worth of dimes, times 80)

Any company can ship. We space ship. - CCP Guard
Angus McRothimay
Fenrir Vangard
#615 - 2014-11-25 20:01:02 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Jvpiter wrote:
Angus McRothimay wrote:
However, using an exploit to cover the cost of subscription isn't really subscribing, If no one spent real money on the game there would be no game to play.



The cost of subscription is always paid with real money. There may simply be less buyers of PLEX but we don't have enough information to make a definitive conclusion.


Less buyers who buy PLEX no matter the cost. Smile

The usual market forces should kick in now and start balancing things out at a more normal level.



I was wondering - Do you think a drop in the price of Plex would be caused by more people buying Plex with real money thus increasing supply or less people buying them with ISK reducing demand?
kraken11 jensen
ROOKS AND KRAKENS
#616 - 2014-11-25 20:01:46 UTC
FunGu Arsten wrote:
Xython wrote:
corebloodbrothers wrote:
Also the dude iskboxing 20 mining accounts wasnt going to use those too activly use those to make eve a more exciting place, rather then his own gain.


"The dude" is up to over 80, actually, according ot the iskboxer dev.


funny thing is... he doesn't actualy need "broadcasting"/"automation functions".. and i hope he keeps mining them ice :D



Same here, :) no need for brodcasting mining tho. The only thing thats Nice (in my eyes) is the abillety so set the eve Clients nicely stacked ( And in talking about when mining)
Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#617 - 2014-11-25 20:01:49 UTC
Gommel Nox wrote:
Aerious wrote:
Goon tears are the best tears!


Aren't they just? However, there was a matter that I wanted to put to the developers, however I cannot be bothered to read through all thirtysomething pages of this thread to see if you've already addressed it. The matter is this: for the past 11 years I have been a quadriplegic, completely lacking the ability to move my hands above the wrist, including my fingers. I've always said to people in and out of the disabled community that eve online is a fantastic game to play if you have limited mobility. The user interface, coupled with its reliance on the mouse as an input, can make it a fantastic game to play, depending on what adaptive equipment and software you may have.

In my own personal case, I have to use voice recognition in order to type. For that I use Dragon NaturallySpeaking, and it's worked fine. However, my lack of mobility has at times translated to **** poor planning, especially in the PVP arena. To address this, I've used custom macros within Dragon NaturallySpeaking, as well as the software say2play, which translates certain voiceCommands into keystrokes. Certain actions like deploying/retrieving drones, Firing on a target that's locked, or even stopping my ship. According to the OP, Software like this is banworthy. So I would like to know, ones and for all, what CCP's position is on adaptive hardware and software for disabled people like myself.


I've already posted this multiple times, but KEYBINDINGS are not banned, that should include custom machros so long as they're not used for multi broadcast

If you use voice recognition software/macro to send ONE command to ONE client at a time, you are OK. It's sending ONE command to MULTIPLE clients AT THE SAME TIME that is banned.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Dr Cooper
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#618 - 2014-11-25 20:02:46 UTC
Thanks for this brave decision.

I know it was not easy to take, but most of players don't use input multiboxing.

In my opinion, it's cheating. Multiboxing is creating inflation on the economy and don't respect the majority of players.

Nobody can fly 10 pvp ship without a third software, so it's normal to forbid it.


GOOD JOB CCP !!!!
Trogdor Losshelin
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#619 - 2014-11-25 20:03:03 UTC
SO, this does nothing to ISBoxer, just FYI. It does mean we have to change some stuff (us lazy boxers).


So, you put 10 dps overview windows next to each other and click each one in order. - Targeting fixed
You put two watchlists next to eachother and click each one in order.- Logi fixed
You put targeting windows next to eachother and click each one in order. - Additional Target managment issues fixed.
Or you use drones, which now only requires drone assist to be manual. - Mutiboxing Fixed.

Take a look at this pic.

http://teabbs.com/images/arcpvp6x.jpg

Just click down the line on what you want to target or shoot or the module you want to activate = win.

This is impossible for 20+ accounts but honestly most of us Multi-boxers don't like those dudes anyways.
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#620 - 2014-11-25 20:03:24 UTC
So... all you ISBoxer people quitting... can I have all your stuff? I mean, seriously, that stuff from that many accounts could really fund me to play EVE for the rest of my life. Lol