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Update regarding Multiboxing and input automation

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#321 - 2014-11-25 18:06:13 UTC
Lee Sin Priest wrote:


Example:

If you pay me money to go to theme park for a specific ride, you like the rollercoasters cause of the pretty lights n stuff
I say of course you may enter, I have a policy that dictates how I must behave and such, what you want to do is legal and hundreds of other people have been doing it for years
You grin, pay over your moneyzzzz and enter
3 feet in Miley comes in like a wrecking ball and bye bye the rollercoasters
Sad right?


Yes, this is almost exactly like that.

Almost.

I think Taylor Swift has a song for you to quote when you unsub.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA4iX5D9Z64

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Dustpuppy
New Eden Ferengi
#322 - 2014-11-25 18:06:21 UTC
Congrats for this step, I believe it's the correct approach.

Whoever runs 20 active accounts for ISboxing either is really wealthy or uses isboxer for plex farming and doesn't pay anything for the accounts. Plex prices will drop, maybe other prices go up a bit, who cares.

Thx
Mharius Skjem
Guardians of the Underworld
#323 - 2014-11-25 18:06:24 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Fonac wrote:
So is-boxer is banned?

edit: I Honestly dont care about is-boxer or what it can do, since i've never used it, or met anyone who uses it. But the OP is not very clear on it.



isboxer isn't banned. Some of the things isboxer can do are banned.


Well that's clear as mud.



Well that was a CSM post, the Dev post is the one that I am interested in. That made it pretty clear IS boxer is banned.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#324 - 2014-11-25 18:07:03 UTC
KeeperRus wrote:
I wonder how exactly this will change anything. CCP can not detect the software, so how will CCP know if it's being used? Exactly.


If they are banning its use after all this time then its safe to say they figured out how.
Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#325 - 2014-11-25 18:07:09 UTC
Nerdz Rool wrote:
Lol Awesome!

My wife thanks you ccp. Thats 105$ she can spend on Qwertee each month now.

Im dropping 7 out of 8 accounts for now then. No hard feelings, I understand that many people in EVE didn't like players multiboxing in PVP or PVE, so whatever you feel will bring up the player experience im cool with.

Everyone just needs to learn how to adapt. I really hope that this doesn't hurt the bottom line for EVE too much though as I really love this game.



Multiboxing is still a-ok, especially in PVP. I multibox in PVP ALL THE TIME. It's being able to do it across multiple accounts simultaniously off one button press that is going. You can still multibox 30 bombers with ISBoxer, you just have to manually click all the buttons now.

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KeeperRus
Doomheim
#326 - 2014-11-25 18:07:28 UTC
What many people don't understand is that they won't sell their accounts. You can still use 10+ accounts and mouse 5 and manually select each broadcast from the window which was actually easier than the broadcast by itself. This won't change anything.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#327 - 2014-11-25 18:07:51 UTC
Mharius Skjem wrote:
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Fonac wrote:
So is-boxer is banned?

edit: I Honestly dont care about is-boxer or what it can do, since i've never used it, or met anyone who uses it. But the OP is not very clear on it.



isboxer isn't banned. Some of the things isboxer can do are banned.


Well that's clear as mud.



Well that was a CSM post, the Dev post is the one that I am interested in. That made it pretty clear IS boxer is banned.


They didnt ban IS boxer, just everything it doesBlink
Bisu Deckryder
Definitely Not Cloaked LLC
#328 - 2014-11-25 18:07:54 UTC
Jasahl Toruken wrote:
I use ISBoxer with 5 accounts. The way I use it does not include any automation. I use the DxNothing feature to bring multiple aspects of the UI from each client to one screen. Every click and mouse movement is unique to each client. And from my interpretation, that type of use is acceptable.


"Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing"

Is using one account to broadcast the mouse movements and clicks to multiple other clients. Much like one might do with a mining or pvp fleet. Where the UI layouts are identical for each client and the user only moves and clicks on one client.

Basically if one click equals multiple actions, then stop doing it.

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#329 - 2014-11-25 18:08:11 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Fonac wrote:
So is-boxer is banned?

edit: I Honestly dont care about is-boxer or what it can do, since i've never used it, or met anyone who uses it. But the OP is not very clear on it.



isboxer isn't banned. Some of the things isboxer can do are banned.


Well that's clear as mud.



Good thing that it's after an devblog which goes into a lot more detail.

People focus on isboxer doing input multiplexing. But that's not all it does. The multiplexing and broadcasting are banned activities. The screen management isn't.

(note: I'm not a lawyer, and I don't speak for CCP. So you can't point at this, in the event I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure I'm not)

It's like a gun in the US. you can take it to a range and shoot. that's legal. Or you can take it to a mall and shoot people. That's not legal.

Guns aren't banned by making shooting people with them illegal. Clearer?

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Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
#330 - 2014-11-25 18:08:22 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:


Good Stuffz



Better late than never +1 Lol
ShadowandLight
Trigger Happy Capsuleers
#331 - 2014-11-25 18:08:35 UTC
CCP Falcon, you stated multi boxing isn't banned in the thread of mine you locked.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5241567#post5241567

But In your own policy you seem to walk a very fine line between multi boxing and input duplication (using a mouse and keyboard to control multiple clients).

Quote:
Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing of actions with consequences in the EVE universe, are prohibited and will be policed in the same manner as Input Automation.

This includes, but isn’t limited to:

• Activation and control of ships and modules
• Navigation and movement within the EVE universe
• Movement of assets and items within the EVE universe
• Interaction with other characters


So per your last statement you called my post rumor mongering, which I really am not. The entire point of isboxer is to allow a mouse and keyboard to control multiple clients effectively. This will kill a major reason to use such software.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#332 - 2014-11-25 18:08:53 UTC
ISBotters be like.

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Strata Maslav
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#333 - 2014-11-25 18:09:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Strata Maslav
The SMUG in this thread is pretty sickening not very conducive for discussion. I play and love the same game you guys do and unfortunately I will be removing some of my monetary support from this game as a result of a decision that CCP has made out of the blue.

This change will not effect my over all eve game play. I am not a heavy user of the broadcast function of the Isboxing software. I mainly use it to manage my windows and have used the controversial 'Isboxer broadcast + bomber' combination with 5 characters only once.

Recently and before this u-turn by CCP, I did invest in a couple more accounts but this recent change has pretty much condemned them to be immediately unsubbed. Even with this action the 'investment' of time and money that I have put into these accounts feels like it has been wasted.

I purchased these subscriptions from CCP to play their game in a specific fashion which at the time was considered legitimate by CCP. I have liked the direction that CCP have been moving towards with EVE Online and I will by no means be quitting the game due to this change but I do have a bad taste left in my mouth.

I cannot speculate CCP's reasoning for announcing this today but the delay on making this statement has caused some people supporting the game to feel they have been deceived.
Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
#334 - 2014-11-25 18:09:34 UTC
Not Primary Disengage wrote:
this is a mistake. i would not have resubscribed if I knew this would be restricted.

No other MMO restricts this and no other MMO is as well suited towards it as EVE.

Perhaps fixing your game is the solution and not banning activities that exploit its flaws.

Disappointing how Devs can make a complete 180.


Please refund my accounts.


No other MMO restricts this? NCSoft bans ISBoxer from its games.

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July Manson
H.U.N.T.E.R
Wild Ones
#335 - 2014-11-25 18:10:06 UTC
That are great news, damned, i have to open up a beer!
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#336 - 2014-11-25 18:10:12 UTC
So honest question here. Is this rig still legit or is it also banned?
Hulasikali Walla
Brave Nubs
#337 - 2014-11-25 18:11:00 UTC
Great move CCP .
Ancy Denaries
Frontier Venture
#338 - 2014-11-25 18:11:04 UTC
*failpost*

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Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#339 - 2014-11-25 18:11:06 UTC
ShadowandLight wrote:
CCP Falcon, you stated multi boxing isn't banned in the thread of mine you locked.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5241567#post5241567

But In your own policy you seem to walk a very fine line between multi boxing and input duplication (using a mouse and keyboard to control multiple clients).

Quote:
Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing of actions with consequences in the EVE universe, are prohibited and will be policed in the same manner as Input Automation.

This includes, but isn’t limited to:

• Activation and control of ships and modules
• Navigation and movement within the EVE universe
• Movement of assets and items within the EVE universe
• Interaction with other characters


So per your last statement you called my post rumor mongering, which I really am not. The entire point of isboxer is to allow a mouse and keyboard to control multiple clients effectively. This will kill a major reason to use such software.

The point is that isboxer has legitimate uses outside of input multiplexing, and that those uses aren't being banned. You can continue to use the CPU management properties of the software, as well as its ability to tile windows and its hotkeys for switching between them. Yes, the primary benefit of using the software is being castrated, but it does not render the whole thing against the rules.

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Sarah Flynt
Red Cross Mercenaries
Silent Infinity
#340 - 2014-11-25 18:11:18 UTC
Who are you and what have you done to the CCP as we knew it (not only this change but what's been happening over maybe the last half year)?

The irony is that a woman had to take the helm in order for CCP to grow some balls.

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