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Flak ammo to down those sentries a bit quicker.

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The Hamilton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-11-22 11:17:27 UTC  |  Edited by: The Hamilton
Title says it all really. Something something Ishtars, Dominix and Sentries .

Now I know that small and medium auto-cannons and smartbombs wreck enough havoc on drones, but are a little less effective against those pesky sentries. So what about an ammo type specific for killing them. Nothing fancy like a rebalance. Just ammo that is better at long ranges on artillery guns(or equivalent) to shoot down sentries.
Got to bring it, got to have the longer range guns and got to not be at close range (what smart bombs are for).

EDIT: Not to be area of effect/ cone effect. Just old fashioned one sentry at a time with improved results.
Rain6637
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-11-22 11:30:23 UTC
instant, at-range cone of effect DPS is broken when 200 players use it. even more than bombs due to the platform.
The Hamilton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-11-22 11:35:24 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
instant, at-range cone of effect DPS is broken when 200 players use it. even more than bombs due to the platform.


Oh I agree. No cone of effect would be necessary. I'm more focused on the ammo being a bit better at one shoting a sentry from a couple of guns.

Balancing required of course.
Rain6637
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-11-22 11:48:12 UTC
an anti sentry sentry

(trace buster buster buster)

anti anti sentry sentry sentry
FireFrenzy
Cynosural Samurai
#5 - 2014-11-22 13:02:16 UTC
This sounds alot like a stealthbomber to me... That or smartbombs...
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#6 - 2014-11-22 13:03:46 UTC
defender missiles anyone....

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-11-22 17:16:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Corraidhin Farsaidh
Flak was always an indirect fire area effect weapon. You are asking more for some kind of saboted armour piercing equivalent to cause greater damage but would be harder to hit with at range. I've not gone up against sentries in pvp but assume the same applies to them in terms of tracking. Up close and personal and they should miss more often? So get in close with smartbombs/blasters to kill them whilst a wingman scrams the ishtar/domi/other ship next in line to complain about!

Ed:I'm assuming that a cloaked scout has broadcast the location of the ishtar for a warp to 0 point...or is trailing at 3Km to act as thewarp in point
Rain6637
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-11-22 19:26:46 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
defender missiles anyone....

defender sentries
Catherine Laartii
Doomheim
#9 - 2014-11-22 21:32:06 UTC
so how about something like grapeshot that does reduced dps, but decent splash damage?
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-11-22 22:05:15 UTC
Catherine Laartii wrote:
so how about something like grapeshot that does reduced dps, but decent splash damage?


Horrible to calculate! Better to make it flak and calculate damage as a reduced damage smartbomb centred on the hitpoint of the shot....like real flak
Rain6637
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-11-22 23:14:27 UTC
keep in mind, sentries have a sig radius of 100m. you're talking about an AOE weapon against cruiser sized targets.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#12 - 2014-11-23 00:25:16 UTC
In general I say no to an ammo that is specialized for killing one specific type of drone / ship what ever.
However this would be preferable to the nerfs to drones and drone ships that is so common these days.

As a drones pilot this one has me scratching my head though, since sentries are perfectly stationary in space once launched how hard can it be to hit them? As a stationary target the only tracking you need is that to compensate for your own ships movement. Range should not be an issue either, artillery and cruise missiles can easily hit targets from distances outside the range of most of the drones.
Rain6637
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-11-23 00:45:05 UTC
it would also be hard to isolate sentries from the crowd, in applying damage.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#14 - 2014-11-23 01:40:33 UTC
Work out the overall weakest resist of the type of sentry, apply said damage type. Hey presto, you have this already in game.
The problem is not the DPS in killing them.
It's that 100 Ishtars can drop 1500 sentries before even refitting to move more sentries from their cargo to their drone bay.
So that's 1500 targets you have to lock and kill, the first 1000 of which make no difference to the DPS you are taking. So by the time you are done killing the sentries they have killed your entire fleet several times. Then they just warp off and refit and repeat.
Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
#15 - 2014-11-23 02:26:28 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
defender missiles anyone....


Totally. It exists in game and would just require recoding of the object. Defender missiles... to defend against drones.

Cloaking is the closest thing to a "Pause Game" button one can get while in space.

Support better localization for the Japanese Community.

M1k3y Koontz
Speaker for the Dead
Stay Feral
#16 - 2014-11-23 02:32:38 UTC  |  Edited by: M1k3y Koontz
Petrified wrote:
Harvey James wrote:
defender missiles anyone....


Totally. It exists in game and would just require recoding of the object. Defender missiles... to defend against drones.



Wait, did someone just come up with a valid use for defender missiles?!

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.

The Hamilton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-11-23 06:07:06 UTC
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
Petrified wrote:
Harvey James wrote:
defender missiles anyone....


Totally. It exists in game and would just require recoding of the object. Defender missiles... to defend against drones.



Wait, did someone just come up with a valid use for defender missiles?!


I think I made a stealth buff defender missiles thread unknowingly Roll
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-11-23 08:05:52 UTC
Surely if you expect to face a fleet of sentry ships you should bring a mixed fleet with celestii to apply damps on the mother ships bombers for the drones inties for locking ships down and something else with good range and tracking to hit the main targets?