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PI Question from returning player

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Turk Madden
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-11-20 02:52:22 UTC
A returning player to EVE... I probably had played 5 months under subscription in the past... after time with other games, I have decided to return to EVE full-time. I had a question or two.


Once I get skilled up enough to get it all going, is there a simple UI way of keeping track of where everything is, or do i just have to write it down...? Seems to me, setting up all these command centers and factory line all around would be confusing Big smile
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#2 - 2014-11-20 03:54:08 UTC
There is a PI option from the neocon menu that will show you all your planets in a window. You can drag this icon to the menu bar for easy access.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#3 - 2014-11-20 04:05:48 UTC
As above, plus you can take a shortcut there:
* If you use the Captain's Quarters, click on the big planet screen to the right of the main screen in front of the sofa.
* Check for a keyboard shortcut: ESC -> Shortcuts ->Window -> Planetary Colonies

For what it is worth, I recently wrote a PI spew:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5190572#post5190572
Turk Madden
Doomheim
#4 - 2014-11-20 05:44:33 UTC
Thank you both for the replies! Looking forward to reading what you wrote Tau!
Turk Madden
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-11-20 05:50:55 UTC
How badly do these Import/Export taxes cut into your profit margins?
Black Pedro
Mine.
#6 - 2014-11-20 12:14:05 UTC
Turk Madden wrote:
How badly do these Import/Export taxes cut into your profit margins?


Badly.

PI in general is much more profitable in non-highsec, and on planets with a low tax rate (obviously) so it is worth searching around before you settle on a system. Highsec PI can be difficult to set up profitably at all, although this depends on what ISK/effort return you are expecting and how you value your time.

In any case run the numbers before you commit too much to the project, especially if you are planning to do so in highsec.
Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-11-20 13:14:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Jur Tissant
In high-sec there is an NPC tax of 10% on top of the player corp tax so it can get pretty ridiculous. This tax can be cut down by Customs Code Expertise. I recommend you move to low-sec and find a good 5% or 10% tax system. I once lived in a WH with a friendly corp and paid 4% tax, this amounted to at most 2-3mil a day vs 45-50 mil revenue each day. I did a lot of importing/exporting each day so perhaps the % would be lower if you don't.

Though, now I live in a WH where my corp owns the POCOs and it's smooth sailing here.
Turk Madden
Doomheim
#8 - 2014-11-20 13:44:56 UTC
I think I'll try to find a quiet, low sec area to work for me. Something one hop from high. The WH sounds like fun, but I don't know enough about them. Getting in and out would be a logistical nightmare for someone with my low skills i'd think. Big smile
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#9 - 2014-11-20 14:30:19 UTC
Turk Madden wrote:
I think I'll try to find a quiet, low sec area to work for me. Something one hop from high.
Be sure to compare what you find in low-sec to what you can find in your local high-sec. I've found some surprisingly low tax rates on high-sec POCO's that were less crowded than the easy to access low-sec systems. Resources weren't that different.

Here are a couple of my favorite planning tools: Planet/PI relationships ;&; Planet Finder

The science and industry sub-forum is a good place for more detailed PI questions.


Turk Madden
Doomheim
#10 - 2014-11-20 14:58:13 UTC
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
Turk Madden wrote:
I think I'll try to find a quiet, low sec area to work for me. Something one hop from high.
Be sure to compare what you find in low-sec to what you can find in your local high-sec. I've found some surprisingly low tax rates on high-sec POCO's that were less crowded than the easy to access low-sec systems. Resources weren't that different.

Here are a couple of my favorite planning tools: Planet/PI relationships ;&; Planet Finder

The science and industry sub-forum is a good place for more detailed PI questions.



Thanks for the nice tips Shiloh!
Do you think it's much more money-efficient and profitable to have T3 production planets only and getting all needed resources off the market?
Jean Luc Lemmont
Carebears on Fire
#11 - 2014-11-20 17:37:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Jean Luc Lemmont
Turk Madden wrote:
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
Turk Madden wrote:
I think I'll try to find a quiet, low sec area to work for me. Something one hop from high.
Be sure to compare what you find in low-sec to what you can find in your local high-sec. I've found some surprisingly low tax rates on high-sec POCO's that were less crowded than the easy to access low-sec systems. Resources weren't that different.

Here are a couple of my favorite planning tools: Planet/PI relationships ;&; Planet Finder

The science and industry sub-forum is a good place for more detailed PI questions.



Thanks for the nice tips Shiloh!
Do you think it's much more money-efficient and profitable to have T3 production planets only and getting all needed resources off the market?


You'll get more bang for your buck if you buy the materials you need when you're making more advanced materials. The issue becomes throughput. Back of the napkin math indicates it takes roughly 12 other planets to supply enough materials to run just 1 P3 planet at full capacity 24/7 (assuming you use only materials you gather yourself). Unless you have access to a dozen or more alts and all the planets they can muster, it's just not practical.

I will say this though - diversify. The market for these materials fluctuates - sometimes on a daily basis - you don't want all your ISK tied up in a material that just crashed.

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Turk Madden
Doomheim
#12 - 2014-11-20 19:09:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Turk Madden
Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:


I will say this though - diversify. The market for these materials fluctuates - sometimes on a daily basis - you don't want all your ISK tied up in a material that just crashed.


Looking at current price fluctuations on the market, I can see other questions arising at some point. Do I play a longer game and price my final product stock at sell orders and hope the market comes to me? Or sell them outright to the current buy orders for that day/week?

I have to admit, it will be fun when I get to that point with my stock piles. :)
Jean Luc Lemmont
Carebears on Fire
#13 - 2014-11-20 20:03:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Jean Luc Lemmont
Turk Madden wrote:
Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:


I will say this though - diversify. The market for these materials fluctuates - sometimes on a daily basis - you don't want all your ISK tied up in a material that just crashed.


Looking at current price fluctuations on the market, I can see other questions arising at some point. Do I play a longer game and price my final product stock at sell orders and hope the market comes to me? Or sell them outright to the current buy orders for that day/week?

I have to admit, it will be fun when I get to that point with my stock piles. :)


That's a matter of your personal preference, your ability/desire to babysit your orders, and your acceptable profit margins. When I was heavy into PI (42 planets across 7 characters), I would often sell to buy orders if they met my minimum profit margin, even if I could have made slightly more money buy putting them at the sell order prices. The reason was simple - I hate babysitting my market orders, but if you want the stuff to move you have to.

It's a decision you'll have to make based on what the local market looks like, how much time you're willing to put into watching the market, etc. I will tell you that market orders in, say, Jita require far more babysitting than orders out in the hinterlands, but you'll get better prices (usually) in the busier markets because of the increased competition. It's all about the tradeoffs you make between your priorities.

It can be a lot of fun, and it can be addictive. At the height of my PI career I was making close to 3 billion ISK a month.

Will I get banned for boxing!?!?!

This thread has degenerated to the point it's become like two bald men fighting over a comb. -- Doc Fury

It's bonuses, not boni, you cretins.