Player Features and Ideas Discussion

There is always the idea that Jump Fatigue becomes Lock Fatigue. Instead of jumping being limited by a timer, all target locking is limited by the same jump fatigue timer. The same issue exists with zero locking delay for the first jump, but at least the only issue with normal movement becomes the need for a million cyno toons and the super short jump ranges. So in addition, removal of the need for cynos finishes off the fix and we are in a much better state. Add to that fatigue when jumping gates or wormholes so that those who jump a million gates in quick succession to join an "all-Eve" battle also get Locking Fatigue.

Lore: the mental stress of calculating a jump introduces fatigue that prevents the pilot from calculating target locks.

Get help Andy. You've passed from midly amusing to making me sad.

I still cant believe CCP would limit our gameplay with such a bad idea. With jump fatigue, I can't go to my alliance ops, because of fatigue while bridged, cant use jump bridges, can't get into the move ops and move my caps like im supposed to.. anyways, why in earth am I still paying for this game, If Im not gonna be able to go fight with my alliance mates with my 30d timer.

It shouldn't be any relation while using subcaps, it has no logic at all! Why do we get fatigue while using bridges and not gates?

I think you should have realized how bad it was getting before you even reached 1 day of fatigue. Literally saw it was getting worse and decided,"I'm gonna keep doing it anyway". Succession of bad decisions resulting in compounding consequences.

E: also, is your alliance using jump drives for their move ops as well instead of taking gates? You might want to warn them about this.

This crap was too harsh. Neuter carrier's jump range and give them fatigue? And no changes coming in Rhea... ease off the throttle and give carrier's back their jump drives.

BTW, Rorquals can't use jump bridges. Despite having the same max-range. Intended?

Jump fatigue is a horrible implementation, and it was thought out and introduced in a very poor manner.

No intelligent null dweller is arguing that a projection change needed to happen. That is not the issue.

The implementation should have given a cost:benefit choice to the player that didn't involve a literal timer that they cannot move their ship for up to 30 days (except through gates )

After brainstorming for 10 minutes, we came up with a better idea- vastly increase jump fuel usage to better address projection change, while not completely destroying casual usage. Logistical and cost restrictions would enforce the power projection that was hard coded into the game instead. Players would have the ability to choose if they wanted to spend many more isos jumping one jump or simply take gates. Jump Bridges simply couldn't handle massive fleet movement without some serious logistics at each bridge. It would cost way too much to defend space not near your staging system, because jump fuel would be exponentially more expensive than it is now. This would also save ice and make it the "oil" of eve as used to be the goal.

I'm not sure who was riding the purple dragon in a magical fairy land coming up with Jump Fatigue. But let's hope they don't go back there for any ideas in the future.

I'm going to keep annoyingly repeating that jump fatigue is an incredibly horrible idea and implementation, and CCP is worse off for doing it. Seriously, this is an implementation that is worth backtracking on in favor of a less ****** idea.

30 day fatigue =/= jump timer. And don't undervalue gate movement, that was one of the things I hated most about capitals before.

Those two statements are contradictory seeing as there is no difference in casual and combative movement other than intent.Casual usage is fine since you can use gates. no more need for cyno alts or to worry about your cyno jammed systems.

This doesnt solve the issue. It just makes it more painful, which does not stop some people from just getting over them and spending more. It doesn't prevent the super-rich from just paying more, while barring everyone else out. Its an uneven effect across the spectrum.

There was a similar isotope use change not too long ago and its effects on strategic use were negligible. People simply sucked up the cost and continued about their business.

Casual usage would be jump bridges, local logistics, perhaps moving a ratting carrier a few systems within your space. Mandatory gate travel as a means of encouraging content is dumb, because it would take a major goof up to get caught in a capital ship at a gate against a fleet that could realistically kill it.






If you take a deeper look at it than "people will just throw money at it", then yes, it solves the problem. By making a significant change in the cost of fuel to jump, it makes it infeasible to be able to defend vast swathes of space. I'm not talking about doubling the cost of a jump, I'm talking about increasing it by several thousand percent. It would be so costly to assemble the troops to traverse regions via jumps or jump bridges that we would spend more defending the space than the space is actually worth.




First off, how is the battlefield not already significantly tilted in our direction.

Cost is a gigantic factor in every major decision we make. I know this, coming from the group that manages all of our finances. A small cost change would not have any effect other than grumbles. Fundamentally changing the isotope consumption formula to increase the costs by a significant percent (see: more than tenfold) would be a much better change overall for the game than jump fatigue. Increasing the cost of jumping means that each jump requires more isotopes, which can only be stored in a limited space on each given ship or Jump Bridge. Thus, at a certain point, it becomes basically impossible to facilitate large fleet movements over regions because of the amount of manpower or logistics to keep all the caps/bridges fueled in each direction.


It's extremely ironic that CCP wants to move towards more of a "Local production" environment, but jump fatigue basically doesn't affect jump freighters in a meaningful way.

A change in the isotope requirement formula would significantly impact the cost of transport. This means that local markets would have more value and people would be forced to make meaningful decisions on whether or not to import/export or produce locally. In moving goods, people would decide whether or not to jump the goods to market or to take gates to save their margins.

But apparently cost is not an effective balancing factor, while a flat timer where you can't move is.

I still don't understand the overall goal of the patch.

How is this going to create content if no one can advance on one another?

Im noticing a massive decrease in content post patch endless you count dropping supers within 5 ly of staging system on nothing and only doing it for the "lulz"...

Jump bridges are atrocious. Its OUR sov we shouldn't be dam near punished for using it. I shouldn't have to spend hours traveling just to attempt to fight with a gang rolling threw.

Even after these slight changes I still feel this was/is by far the worst mechanic in eve ( not including sov but I didn't think id have to say it)

Why do you hate content?

I was kinda hoping for a travel time on jumping via jump drives. Like a 8ly jump would take x amount of time in tunnel. Not this "Jump! But now you can't jump again for a week... Sincerely, CCP"