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Valterra Craven
#21 - 2014-11-17 14:39:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Valterra Craven
CCP Sledgehammer wrote:
Hi all!

Us folks over at Teams Trilambda and Muppet Shop have been slaving (Minmatar-ing) long and hard to bring you the latest batch of graphical goodies due to ship with Rhea. Please bear in mind that these features are Works-In-Progress, and are likely to change during the course of the next few weeks. As always. all constructive criticisms are welcome:

Ship Redesigns - Onyx, Eagle, Incursus, Enyo, Ishkur, Blackbird, Rook, Falcon
STATUS: DEPLOYED, UPDATES MADE BASED ON ISSUES FOUND
The aforementioned Hulls have been updated with new geometry and textures.


Can't wait to hear what you think of all this!

- Sledgehammer.


I really wish you guys would allow player feedback much sooner in the modeling process than you do. I'm not aware of a single case where you've shown players a new ship model and because of the feedback scraped it or significantly changed it. (Admittedly I've a had few multi-year breaks from eve over the past decade or so.)

I know I'm in the minority here, but I think you guys have basically released a poorer/worse model for the blackbird than what we had previously. The onyx though :X that ship under the new system with the previous model revision is GORGEOUS. But looking at the blackbird/moa it feels like a completely different team worked on the blackbird compared to the moa redesign.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#22 - 2014-11-17 14:42:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
Pirate apparel is interchangable, indistinguishable from each other. Different colors and a different logo is lame and goes absolutely against what pirates are. More effort from you or NES continues to be a fail and simple money grab of yours.

UI Improvement Collective

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marVLs
#23 - 2014-11-17 15:06:57 UTC
A just love the new style of every race (matte for caldari, shinny dog balls for galente, and glorious ammar), buuuuut....
There's multum of lightning problem and lacks of details, textures looks like they are not High settings but medium etc. i really hope we got everything fixed in time.

Just go this path (racial styles etc) but fix those problems and make it look profesional
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#24 - 2014-11-17 15:10:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
OH GOD! Please don't do that to the Ark! Do not do this to the Ark!Shocked

It's obviously an error, but holy hell does this inverted form of the Carthum color pattern look ugly. Ugh

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Might be my imagination, but the current Viziam PBR lights on the Redemer it look like a plastic toy, but this might just be because it lacks a bumpmap height difference between the green part and the base parts.

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The Kaalakiota and especially the Widow really look like they are fresh from a Minmatar scrapyard: worn out, scrapped and barely holding together.

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The Ishukone ships, on the other hand, definitely have way too much gold. The Eagle used black as base color with gold-gradient on the accent parts of the hull, like this. This must not change, and especially not in this way where the Eagel looks more like a Caldari pimp's ship than a military vessel. Also, what are these random hull additions supposed to be? Like the humps on top of the wing canisters, or the hump on the neck? The Eagle is not Quasimodo! Or this completely useless lance on the head of the Eagle. What is that? Remove them! Make a better effort in differentiating the models from each other!

UI Improvement Collective

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marVLs
#25 - 2014-11-17 15:23:02 UTC
I think we need those HD textures more than ever now... also tesselation would be nice...
Cajun Style
Shattered Planet
#26 - 2014-11-17 15:32:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Cajun Style
The inscriptions on the nose of the Dragoon freak out in a minor way with this new PBR at least on my comp. If this isn't the case for everybody I will post pics and computer specs.

As stated by many people: lots of ships, like the duvolle labs ships, are too shiny/chrome.

Also, some lighting effects should probably be redone in the context of the new reflections. Stars don't seem to cause glare of their own color, station and "view ship" environments, like the Gallente view ship, can be too bright, etc. Overall, PBR seems like it will make flying in spaceships significantly prettier. With a fair bit of polishing, this will be A+ work. The shadows are magnificent.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#27 - 2014-11-17 15:34:14 UTC
HD textures, yes, they would make details look great, because with this new engine they sinked somewhere.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Cajun Style
Shattered Planet
#28 - 2014-11-17 15:36:10 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
HD textures, yes, they would make details look great, because with this new engine they sinked somewhere.


they might just be keeping patch size down on sisi.
Chillshock
Heavy Industries Inc.
#29 - 2014-11-17 15:57:11 UTC
If you now tell me the golem is going to get a gray caldari-style paintjob... I'll sub for the next year, not matter if I have time to play or not. And if I only look at it from time to time going "yeah... that's mine!". :D
Cajun Style
Shattered Planet
#30 - 2014-11-17 16:11:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Cajun Style
Okay, two issues. First, the comp I'm on: NVIDIA GeForce GT 540M, Intel Core i5-2430M CPU @ 2.40GHz, 6GBs of RAM, Windows 7 Home Premium, Service Pack 1, 64 bit.

1. The first bug is with PBR on the Dragoon:
http://i.imgur.com/calj6U9.png

As should be visible in screen, the inscriptions on the nose have lots of black stuff that looks bad/glitchy.

2. The second bug happens when I shine the sun behind the ship THROUGH the engine effect, with HDR turned on.
http://i.imgur.com/AzZzCbo.png

This is surprising, afaik neither the suns nor the engine effects are changing this patch, yet I don't have this graphical bug on TQ.

Hope this helps!
CCP Salvo
C C P
C C P Alliance
#31 - 2014-11-17 16:16:24 UTC
chaosjj wrote:
Will the incursus-variants recieve their own hull variants like the moa hulls have?


Yes, the hull variations for the Ishkur and the Enyo will make a reappearance in a later release, as they are not complete yet. As with the initial Moa redesign, we've updated the T2 variants with the new redesigned T1 hull until the T2 geometry is ready.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#32 - 2014-11-17 16:18:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
CCP Salvo wrote:
chaosjj wrote:
Will the incursus-variants recieve their own hull variants like the moa hulls have?


Yes, the hull variations for the Ishkur and the Enyo will make a reappearance in a later release, as they are not complete yet. As with the initial Moa redesign, we've updated the T2 variants with the new redesigned T1 hull until the T2 geometry is ready.


The Eagle update is not satisfying. And it keeps the dronebay for no reason. There's nothing ready with that update, unless you call "randomly added bits and pieces without any apparent functionality" ready. Instead of these random bits, you could add a smaller module similar in shape and form to the Ewar modules on the Rook/Falcon to the area where the drone bay was. This would give the Eagle a bit of the much loved asymmetry as well as look a lot better than the current things you added.

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Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-11-17 16:19:01 UTC
Chillshock wrote:
If you now tell me the golem is going to get a gray caldari-style paintjob... I'll sub for the next year, not matter if I have time to play or not. And if I only look at it from time to time going "yeah... that's mine!". :D


You could get the kaalakiota version. That one looks cool...

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Quintessen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2014-11-17 16:37:17 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
CCP Salvo wrote:
chaosjj wrote:
Will the incursus-variants recieve their own hull variants like the moa hulls have?


Yes, the hull variations for the Ishkur and the Enyo will make a reappearance in a later release, as they are not complete yet. As with the initial Moa redesign, we've updated the T2 variants with the new redesigned T1 hull until the T2 geometry is ready.


The Eagle update is not satisfying. And it keeps the dronebay for no reason. There's nothing ready with that update, unless you call "randomly added bits and pieces without any apparent functionality" ready. Instead of these random bits, you could add a smaller module similar in shape and form to the Ewar modules on the Rook/Falcon to the area where the drone bay was. This would give the Eagle a bit of the much loved asymmetry as well as look a lot better than the current things you added.


My understanding is that they are adding drone bays to all the ship models, the same way they were adding hardpoints (not just turret/launcher points) in order to make it so that they can show drones launching from drone bays.

Should this ship eventually get a drone bay, they will already have the artwork done. It's also possible for the new system to work every ship needs a drone bay.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#35 - 2014-11-17 16:38:32 UTC
CCP Salvo wrote:
chaosjj wrote:
Will the incursus-variants recieve their own hull variants like the moa hulls have?


Yes, the hull variations for the Ishkur and the Enyo will make a reappearance in a later release, as they are not complete yet. As with the initial Moa redesign, we've updated the T2 variants with the new redesigned T1 hull until the T2 geometry is ready.


Don't forget about Ishkur's lance, it has to get bigger in tech2 variant.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Shalashaska Adam
Snakes and Lasers
#36 - 2014-11-17 16:41:18 UTC
I think the new Eagle and Onyx are both very poorly modelled.

Looks like a very rushed and shoddy attempt at sticking random new shapes onto it and ruining the original model.

I hope CCP reconsider.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#37 - 2014-11-17 16:47:56 UTC
CCP Salvo wrote:
chaosjj wrote:
Will the incursus-variants recieve their own hull variants like the moa hulls have?


Yes, the hull variations for the Ishkur and the Enyo will make a reappearance in a later release, as they are not complete yet. As with the initial Moa redesign, we've updated the T2 variants with the new redesigned T1 hull until the T2 geometry is ready.

Save the Lance!

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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#38 - 2014-11-17 16:49:17 UTC
Shalashaska Adam wrote:
I think the new Eagle and Onyx are both very poorly modelled.

Looks like a very rushed and shoddy attempt at sticking random new shapes onto it and ruining the original model.

I hope CCP reconsider.


i like the onyx . it has a new dome on the bottom aswell ... the eagle does seem a little odd with the long stick at the front on the right side instead of the middle

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Owen E Vader
TheMurk
#39 - 2014-11-17 17:07:12 UTC
New blackbird hull... fffuuuuuuuu. It's so ugly. X I'm not quite sure which one is uglier - older or newer version.

Too many surfaces. It looks like just a pile of textures. Ugh
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#40 - 2014-11-17 17:08:39 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
CCP Salvo wrote:
chaosjj wrote:
Will the incursus-variants recieve their own hull variants like the moa hulls have?


Yes, the hull variations for the Ishkur and the Enyo will make a reappearance in a later release, as they are not complete yet. As with the initial Moa redesign, we've updated the T2 variants with the new redesigned T1 hull until the T2 geometry is ready.


Don't forget about Ishkur's lance, it has to get bigger in tech2 variant.


Ishkur lance? Damn thing should look more like the fatman Tristan.

Yaay!!!!