Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Some things have changed whilst I was on sabbatical, but others haven't.

In reviewing a lot of the more recent controversy on 'freighter ganking', I have determined that everything is mostly fine. A hauler taking things to and fro market(s) is, of course, engaging in PvP - and has chosen to do so. Balance tweaks to some ships may be reasonable.

A pilot who takes from 'your' can is now flagged as suspect to everyone! Definitely a harsh improvement.

But a miner (especially those in NPC Corps), however, who engages in PvP with 'you' (assuming you're already mining) gets away with competing/PvP with you - and there is flat out nothing (that makes sense) that you can do about it!

You could:

- declare war if they aren't in an NPC corps -> you lose as you cannot mine (assuming that's what you wanted to do)

- bump them lots -> again, you're not mining, they might a bit, nothing is gained, you lose

- gank them (takes a bit of effort and may not be practicable) -> you still lose, although hopefully less in value than they do; but they get kill rights which may mean you still might lose out (possibly a lot)

But effectively, whilst they blatantly choose to engage you in PvP, there is not much that can be done.

Suggested change:

That if not in a Fleet with you, anyone that starts to mine a 'roid that you are mining already receives a Suspect Flag just as if they took from a can of yours.

Additional 'tweak' that would be necessary - make Ice 'roids' a lot smaller and anomaly belts subsequently 'bigger' to balance.

NB - 'PvP' means anything that involves engaging with other players, including all aspects of manufacture, the market and creating opportunities (eg by blowing stuff up). EVE is a harsh mistress.

The stupid. It burns.
Seriously.

there might be a few but if he flys a mack with 3 miners thats 3 roids down and if he does that on 2 pilot thats six down wouldnt take many alts to basically claim a whole belt

Which means in the ice belts, you must be in a fleet unless you want to get ganked all the time for just mining with 20 other people on the last remaining roid? And if your fleet wasn't lucky enough to start mining on all the remaining roids before someone else, you are basically screwed? Uh ... no?

Fantastic idea!

This should extend to market pvp too - anyone placing a sell order under my sell order price should be flagged as a suspect AND ejected from the station.

Wait, that might be a bit silly to turn one kind of competition into a bloodsport, wouldn't it?

Hmm.... back to the drawing board OP!

Not sure if serious or trolling.


But assuming serious, op please stop posting this stuff. There are many reasons many people think carebears are idiots. Stuff like this would be one reason why.

The ore/ice is not yours until you mine it. What you're asking for is the ability to lay claim to items that you haven't worked to collect yet.

Sorry, no. Not just no, but HECK NO!

And the profit isn't yours until you sell at the right price...

Interesting - a few obtuse answers - but I guess that's not entirely unexpected. Quick responses; and also a request to re-read the OP.

- I was not talking about a belt and not a system. Go claim Null certainly.

- You engage in market PvP by all the other raising and lowering aspects, and it's hard to shoot someone who lives in a station.

- I explained the need for a change to ice belts

- chatting to someone, even trolling them is bad enough; people can easily be blocked

- simply a 'roid 'you' are already mining

The question back otherwise is - what else could you do if someone (in NPC Corp) decides to mine the same 'roid you are?

And, indeed, I also thought it might work quite nicely against botting.

Finally - the only real PvE is just doing missions for the isk. Most everything else involves competing with others (LP stores don't unless you sell the item(s)). But, seriously, PvP is not just fighting - EVE is all about the isk - and fun.

Competition is just the same as direct action - both are engaging in the PvP aspect.

I covered ganking in the OP - if it was sensible, I would have done it.