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Dev blog: Coming to EVE Online in the Rhea release on December 9th

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Mr Omniblivion
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#101 - 2014-11-14 19:44:22 UTC
Ivan Stoner wrote:
Rhea will be a good without one exception. The removing of the clone Insurance.

From my view CCP is removing with that one of the unique features of the game. Till Rhea it was possible to loose everything without 900k SP. After Rhea Eve will get a tiny step more into the direction of Theme Park Online.


Losing skill points because of forgetting to upgrade your clone is not a good game mechanic. Especially when the clone system isn't set up with enough attention for the user to make it abundantly apparent that they need to upgrade their clone. If you're in a large fleet fight, thinking about upgrading your clone before getting back into the fight is one of the last things on your mind. This is a Good Change that really has no downside.

That said, losing skill points because of your choice to utilize a t3 ship and lose it is an excellent game mechanic. T3 ships are very strong and versatile, and rightfully so, have additional risks in flying them. I would like to see more of these risk/reward options come into development (T3 Destroyers!)

Despite me perpetually bashing on CCP for certain game design decisions, these changes are some really good decisions and I'm looking forward to what they continue to bring our way.
Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#102 - 2014-11-14 19:51:01 UTC
CCP BunnyVirus wrote:
nonsciolist wrote:
can we see PBR difference gifs for the other races also?



There will be a Dev Blog about it soon


I expect kaalakiota ships to be actually black this time.

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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#103 - 2014-11-14 19:54:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Harvey James
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Harvey James wrote:
Alexis Nightwish wrote:
IIRC the Onyx and the Eagle both lack drone bays, but their model shows a drone bay. Can these be removed?


that and making them worth flying more would be nice


What's wrong with the Eagle and Onyx? Haven't flown an Onyx yet, but the Eagle is pretty amazing. The range of the medium rails is absolutely outstanding and I rather have that than more damage. For sniping and long range engagements, the Eagle is a very capable ship comparable to something like Cerberus, Muninn and Ishtar. It's certainly not something for small engagements where you don't have the numbers for sufficient DPS, but if fills a very nice niche role and has its unique usage scenarios.


if i want too snipe why would i want a slow fat effectively brawler type ship that for some reason has lots of range plonked on top of? i can pick a talos too the job with better dps and range without training HAC's too do it or use an ishtar with much better dps and flexibility.

Onyx is atm only worth using in 0.0 or maybe wormhole/ Low sec ops .. ok if you live there i suppose .. although flying them is probably suicide ...

i still think its silly you cant use the scripted point in high sec .. and be reppable with the scripted version ..
along with removing science lv5 as a prerequisite or remove graviton physics from it.. a science skill shouldn't be needed for a combat ship.. then maybe i would fly an onyx in anything other than a wormhole

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using

Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#104 - 2014-11-14 19:58:18 UTC
Dem coats, I've been waiting for those for years! CCP, please, make ones without logos (and a SOE one), I'mm going to throw my money at nex so hard...
King Fu Hostile
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#105 - 2014-11-14 20:03:38 UTC
Mind blown

CCP Seagull for president!
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#106 - 2014-11-14 20:04:47 UTC
i would love too know when recons and T3 cruisers are getting there turn for being fixed.. fozzie?????

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using

Maxxor Brutor
Borderline Procurements
#107 - 2014-11-14 20:05:37 UTC
Awesome stuff!

So this means finally not all ships will just be black blobs in space all the time? :D

What is this "Justice" minmatar faction?

Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#108 - 2014-11-14 20:08:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
Harvey James wrote:
if i want too snipe why would i want a slow fat effectively brawler type ship that for some reason has lots of range plonked on top of? i can pick a talos too the job with better dps and range without training HAC's too do it or use an ishtar with much better dps and flexibility.

Onyx is atm only worth using in 0.0 or maybe wormhole/ Low sec ops .. ok if you live there i suppose .. although flying them is probably suicide ...

i still think its silly you cant use the scripted point in high sec .. and be reppable with the scripted version ..
along with removing science lv5 as a prerequisite or remove graviton physics from it.. a science skill shouldn't be needed for a combat ship.. then maybe i would fly an onyx in anything other than a wormhole


Show me the Talos that can reach 177 km range, both locking and weapon range, with at least some resemblance of tank. The Eagle is not meant for brawling, that's why it has a range bonus and not a tracking bonus. If you want to brawl with blasters, you have to use the Deimos.
The Ishtar on the other hand is bound to its drones, you can't fly too far away from the enemy or you can't activate the drones on them anymore. And you constantly need to keep the range of the drones from the enemy in consideration as well. And drones die, which leaves the Ishtar very quickly without anything to fire. The tracking is also lackluster after the last round of nerfs to the Ishtar, whereas enemies always have to follow your Eagle around -- you can fly straight away from them, and have absolutely no problems with tracking.

That's the point of the Onyx, of all Hictors to be quite frank. They are not meant for damage or something, they are meant to be tackle for big ships and mobile (the real mobile) bubbles. There should not be another use for them. Sure, a bit more DPS is fine, in order to not have a "worthless" ship in your fleet ... but that is the completely wrong and warped perception of the players, who only want more DPS and don't see the point of different roles in fleets.
Why is it silly that you can't be repped with the focus point active? If the remote repair was possible with the point on, there would be absolutely no way of killing these ships with your cap, making the Hictors highly imbalanced.
Why should Science V be removed? You activate a highly sophisticated module that uses various scientific effects. A basic understanding of these is mandatory to be able to use these effects properly and to know what you are doing. It's not something like the current drone problematic in RL where you should expect that people use more common sense when they use these drones. The bubble generator is something a tad bit more complicated and totally warrants the training of Science V and Graviton Physics.

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Saisin
Chao3's Rogue Operatives Corp
#109 - 2014-11-14 20:10:04 UTC
Keras Authion wrote:
You guys have been seriously busy with all those nice things. We've known some of them but there's even more. Looking forward to Rhea in December. Oh, better go take some pictures of the old kitchen snk while it's still in its full blocky glorySmile

Yep, the management of release information is done pretty smartly! Keep this up!

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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#110 - 2014-11-14 20:15:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Harvey James
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Harvey James wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Harvey James wrote:
Alexis Nightwish wrote:
IIRC the Onyx and the Eagle both lack drone bays, but their model shows a drone bay. Can these be removed?


that and making them worth flying more would be nice


What's wrong with the Eagle and Onyx? Haven't flown an Onyx yet, but the Eagle is pretty amazing. The range of the medium rails is absolutely outstanding and I rather have that than more damage. For sniping and long range engagements, the Eagle is a very capable ship comparable to something like Cerberus, Muninn and Ishtar. It's certainly not something for small engagements where you don't have the numbers for sufficient DPS, but if fills a very nice niche role and has its unique usage scenarios.


if i want too snipe why would i want a slow fat effectively brawler type ship that for some reason has lots of range plonked on top of? i can pick a talos too the job with better dps and range without training HAC's too do it or use an ishtar with much better dps and flexibility.

Onyx is atm only worth using in 0.0 or maybe wormhole/ Low sec ops .. ok if you live there i suppose .. although flying them is probably suicide ...

i still think its silly you cant use the scripted point in high sec .. and be reppable with the scripted version ..
along with removing science lv5 as a prerequisite or remove graviton physics from it.. a science skill shouldn't be needed for a combat ship.. then maybe i would fly an onyx in anything other than a wormhole


Show me the Talos that can reach 177 km range, both locking and weapon range, with at least some resemblance of tank. The Eagle is not meant for brawling, that's why it has a range bonus and not a tracking bonus. If you want to brawl with blasters, you have to use the Deimos.
The Ishtar on the other hand is bound to its drones, you can't fly too far away from the enemy or you can't activate the drones on them anymore. And you constantly need to keep the range of the drones from the enemy in consideration as well. And drones die, which leaves the Ishtar very quickly without anything to fire. The tracking is also lackluster after the last round of nerfs to the Ishtar, whereas enemies always have to follow your Eagle around -- you can fly straight away from them, and have absolutely no problems with tracking.

That's the point of the Onyx, of all Hictors to be quite frank. They are not meant for damage or something, they are meant to be tackle for big ships and mobile (the real mobile) bubbles. There should not be another use for them. Sure, a bit more DPS is fine, in order to not have a "worthless" ship in your fleet ... but that is the completely wrong and warped perception of the players, who only want more DPS and don't see the point of different roles in fleets.


i think you failed too understand how powerful ishtars are.. how much did you read the HAC thread??
sniping at 180km .. talos and naga mind can do that just fine .. and who fits tank too snipers fighting at that range anyway??

Eagle and onyx are both niche ships .. they perform one role only well.. neither of which suit HS gate fights .. where as my ishtar can perform either role at just fine..

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#111 - 2014-11-14 20:26:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
I find it rather ironic that CCP went through a polygon reduction phase, ruining many ships (like the Badger-class hulls being stripped of all antennae), and now are reportedly pushing the polygon limit (with ships like the Bowhead).

CCP, can you please re-do the poor naked Badger-class hulls!
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#112 - 2014-11-14 20:26:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
Harvey James wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Show me the Talos that can reach 177 km range, both locking and weapon range, with at least some resemblance of tank. The Eagle is not meant for brawling, that's why it has a range bonus and not a tracking bonus. If you want to brawl with blasters, you have to use the Deimos.
The Ishtar on the other hand is bound to its drones, you can't fly too far away from the enemy or you can't activate the drones on them anymore. And you constantly need to keep the range of the drones from the enemy in consideration as well. And drones die, which leaves the Ishtar very quickly without anything to fire. The tracking is also lackluster after the last round of nerfs to the Ishtar, whereas enemies always have to follow your Eagle around -- you can fly straight away from them, and have absolutely no problems with tracking.

That's the point of the Onyx, of all Hictors to be quite frank. They are not meant for damage or something, they are meant to be tackle for big ships and mobile (the real mobile) bubbles. There should not be another use for them. Sure, a bit more DPS is fine, in order to not have a "worthless" ship in your fleet ... but that is the completely wrong and warped perception of the players, who only want more DPS and don't see the point of different roles in fleets.


i think you failed too understand how powerful ishtars are.. how much did you read the HAC thread??
sniping at 180km .. talos and naga mind can do that just fine .. and who fits tank too snipers fighting at that range anyway??

Eagle and onyx are both niche ships .. they perform one role only well.. neither of which suit HS gate fights .. where as my ishtar can perform either role at just fine..


I don't need to read the thread, I fly Ishtars almost every day in a variety of scenarios. Then you are solo-sniping with hit and run, that's something different from fleet sniping or fleet longer range fights. An Ishtar would need 4-5 drone link augmenters to reach 180 km, or range augmenting rigs, which either use immense amounts of CPU or reduce the CPU severely, effectively limiting the Ishtars fitting in other aspects. The Eagle has none of these problems. The Ishtar certainly can't perform the role of the Onyx, that's completely impossible.

Yep, and the niche is perfectly fine. They don't need to perform well in High sec gate camps, other ships excel in that category already. They don't need to serve your purpose as long as they already have a properly used purpose.
Also, as far as I know, Hictors could use their point on caps in High sec and prevent them from jumping for a while just recently. Was a bug.

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#113 - 2014-11-14 20:29:01 UTC
Looks like another awesome expansion.

f'n-a. Big smile

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#114 - 2014-11-14 20:31:58 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
I find it rather ironic that CCP went through a polygon reduction phase, ruining many ships (like the Badger-class hulls being stripped of all antennae), and now are reportedly pushing the polygon limit (with ships like the Bowhead).

CCP, can you please re-do the poor naked Badger-class hulls!

Hrm, might this actually be the LODs you're seeing? CCP within the last year or so introduced Level Of Detail based rendering to ships, that make them take less polygons to render the further away they are from the camera. Try zooming in on the ship and see if the antennae reappear.

(I don't know if this is actually the case or not, but it might be!)

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Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#115 - 2014-11-14 20:34:04 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Catherine Laartii wrote:
Hate to point this out...but InterBus isn't a Gallente company. It's a completely separate faction; it'd be like saying that you're coming out with an EoM edition raven or something. Why choose something as off as that when you've got such a huge group of gallente NPC corps to pick from?


Agreed. Instead, the Moros should be Quafe. Everyone loves Quafe.


I hate Quafe... and InterBus all the time is just bad.

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#116 - 2014-11-14 20:37:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Catherine Laartii wrote:
Hate to point this out...but InterBus isn't a Gallente company. It's a completely separate faction; it'd be like saying that you're coming out with an EoM edition raven or something. Why choose something as off as that when you've got such a huge group of gallente NPC corps to pick from?


Agreed. Instead, the Moros should be Quafe. Everyone loves Quafe.


I hate Quafe... and InterBus all the time is just bad.


Well, too bad for you that there's no other corp in the Gallente Federation with somewhat iconic colors. We in the Amarr Empire, on the other hand, have a wide and stunning range of possible color patterns. Big smile

I want my Tash-Murkon Family Revelation.

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.

Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#117 - 2014-11-14 20:40:02 UTC
Quote:
Rivr Luzade ... The Ishtar certainly can't perform the role of the Onyx, that's completely impossible.


perhaps i wasn't clear enough .. i did refer too high sec at this point ... but point being there are plenty of ships than can either snipe or brawl better .. onyx being only useful over the others in certain secs ..
and that my ishtar can cover both sniping and brawling easily in the same fit .. my ishtar covering 150km with 2 DLA's .. but can still brawl better than the onyx

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using

Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#118 - 2014-11-14 20:45:19 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Catherine Laartii wrote:
Hate to point this out...but InterBus isn't a Gallente company. It's a completely separate faction; it'd be like saying that you're coming out with an EoM edition raven or something. Why choose something as off as that when you've got such a huge group of gallente NPC corps to pick from?


Agreed. Instead, the Moros should be Quafe. Everyone loves Quafe.


I hate Quafe... and InterBus all the time is just bad.


Well, too bad for you that there's no other corp in the Gallente Federation with somewhat iconic colors. We in the Amarr Empire, on the other hand, have a wide and stunning range of possible color patterns. Big smile

I want my Tash-Murkon Family Revelation.


And Caldari


But not all Gallente NPC corps have colors assigned to them.

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#119 - 2014-11-14 20:45:59 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
Quote:
Rivr Luzade ... The Ishtar certainly can't perform the role of the Onyx, that's completely impossible.


perhaps i wasn't clear enough .. i did refer too high sec at this point ... but point being there are plenty of ships than can either snipe or brawl better .. onyx being only useful over the others in certain secs ..
and that my ishtar can cover both sniping and brawling easily in the same fit .. my ishtar covering 150km with 2 DLA's .. but can still brawl better than the onyx


Drone activation range with 2 DLA is 133km. Unless you use rigs. And DPS brawling is not a role of the Onyx, in any area of space. Using it for that and not meeting results like a Sacrilege or Deimos, or your Garde/Ogre Ishtar, is not completely unexpected.

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Tarpedo
Incursionista
#120 - 2014-11-14 20:50:55 UTC
Great features. And since EVE is now copying functions from its 3 MMO spaceship competitors - how long to wait till WiS expansion?

(all 3 competing games have WiS and it's substantial part of their gameplay)