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Future Gallente Federation elections

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Rogue Lawyer
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-08-04 03:01:33 UTC
Elfi Wolfe wrote:
Maybe one of the Large alliance will try to get their leader elected?


Eve already has the CSM for this.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#22 - 2014-08-29 21:45:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
This is the first time ive been in GD for over a year. When did it become IGS?

Wait, this isnt GD, WHERE AM I?
Silverdaddy
Ourapheh Holdings
#23 - 2014-10-11 17:38:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Silverdaddy
I think a Gallente election could be run quite easily leveraging some already-existing infrastructure that CCP has already built.

So, for those who are resident in the Gallente Federation (that are a member of a corporation that is headquartered in Gallente territory, whether a player or NPC corp), the location of the headquarters could determine which "district" the individual lives in. For the sake of simplicity, a coarse measure such as a district being the equivalent of a constellation, might be best.

During the voting period, each qualifying Gallente voter would receive a choice of ballot via the gift redemption system that has been used for holidays and other landmarks in the past. The player would select the person that they are voting for. It would be a simple matter to tally the ballots cast for each candidate by district, and then declare a winner. It might also mean that some of the membership of the Gallente Senate would then be determined by the players as well, through a proportional slate system associated with the proportion of votes cast for each Presidential candidate.

Well, that's an idea to leverage existing tools, but perhaps CCP would go the custom route.

I hope the Devs push ahead with an election... what's the point of having selected membership in the only democratic faction if we do not have elections?


[Edit: must teach my tablet Eve-specific vocabulary.]

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#24 - 2014-10-11 18:07:36 UTC
Because 99.99999999999999999999999999% of the voting people are NPC's and live on the planets. Probably need a whole lot more 9's there also. The players are a drop in not just an ocean, but entire systems full of water worlds. There are trillions and trillions of people in New Eden.
So there is no way player votes would have the slightest impact on it.
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#25 - 2014-10-11 18:15:41 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Because 99.99999999999999999999999999% of the voting people are NPC's and live on the planets. Probably need a whole lot more 9's there also. The players are a drop in not just an ocean, but entire systems full of water worlds. There are trillions and trillions of people in New Eden.
So there is no way player votes would have the slightest impact on it.

That is true... even if no one is expecting the result of it be based only on player votes

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#26 - 2014-10-11 20:24:28 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Because 99.99999999999999999999999999% of the voting people are NPC's and live on the planets. Probably need a whole lot more 9's there also. The players are a drop in not just an ocean, but entire systems full of water worlds. There are trillions and trillions of people in New Eden.
So there is no way player votes would have the slightest impact on it.

That is true... even if no one is expecting the result of it be based only on player votes

Therefore it would be a waste of Dev time & effort to tally 100,000 votes up under whatever system they actually made.
Rather than simply announce the candidates and let players simply Roleplay their loyalties, beliefs and simply say 'I voted for x' after the election if they want to talk about who they voted for.
Since it would have no impact it's not an effective use of Dev time to create a physical voting system. And it has no impact on the story.
Silverdaddy
Ourapheh Holdings
#27 - 2014-10-12 16:38:00 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Because 99.99999999999999999999999999% of the voting people are NPC's and live on the planets. Probably need a whole lot more 9's there also. The players are a drop in not just an ocean, but entire systems full of water worlds. There are trillions and trillions of people in New Eden.
So there is no way player votes would have the slightest impact on it.

That is true... even if no one is expecting the result of it be based only on player votes

Therefore it would be a waste of Dev time & effort to tally 100,000 votes up under whatever system they actually made.
Rather than simply announce the candidates and let players simply Roleplay their loyalties, beliefs and simply say 'I voted for x' after the election if they want to talk about who they voted for.
Since it would have no impact it's not an effective use of Dev time to create a physical voting system. And it has no impact on the story.



Well, that is true unless those in charge of the story arc elect to involve the player base. One reason to do so is to take that as a general measure of reactive sentiment... that is, how an observer of the developing story feels (or does not feel) motivated by the story, political rhetoric, and their place in the universe.

CCP did do this once, near the beginning of Eve's existence although it took them a whole to sort through the results. I hope they choose to do so again.

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#28 - 2014-10-13 00:51:33 UTC
You could do that, except as capsuleers we are a niche voting group who care about vastly different things to planet bound people who are in the majority. Meaning our votes would be based on a totally different criteria and thus obviously not representative.
Assuming they even consider us still citizens given the amount of freedom from borders we have.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#29 - 2014-11-05 21:41:40 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
And a question to older players about last elections, I know there was some king of event done related to it, could you describe it and how can it be improved if they would want to do a similar format.


The event as it were last time was Jonny Damordred's "Why the hell not?" campaign of presidency, where he had a rally day which involved a large number of pilots lagging the hell out of Luminaire trying to blow up the Shiigeru.

Further lagged by a large number of pro Caldari pilots remote repping it.

Further lagged by a smaller number of reckless Federals suicide ganking the Caldari pilots.

Further lagged by the ton of CONCORD these acts generated.



And a lot of chat in local. Fun times.

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#30 - 2014-11-05 22:40:45 UTC
Except that wasn't really part of the actual lore was it? Just players shooting a structure in space. Since a real attack on the Shiigeru would have most likely resulted in Caldari Prime getting nuked.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#31 - 2014-11-06 01:01:37 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Except that wasn't really part of the actual lore was it? Just players shooting a structure in space. Since a real attack on the Shiigeru would have most likely resulted in Caldari Prime getting nuked.


It happened in game, even if the attack was futile it was a player run event (and the only in game event regarding the elections) with a story behind it that facilitated discussion pre and post marker.

Also the attack did pretty minimal damage. It depends on whether you mean "lore" as in "this was a CCP run PF event" or lore as in "I was there."

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#32 - 2014-11-06 04:21:18 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:


It happened in game, even if the attack was futile it was a player run event (and the only in game event regarding the elections) with a story behind it that facilitated discussion pre and post marker.

Also the attack did pretty minimal damage. It depends on whether you mean "lore" as in "this was a CCP run PF event" or lore as in "I was there."

Yea, Player Run events are different from Live Events. (Though a Live Event can be player run if CCP recognises it as part of the lore, but I don't believe that happened in this case)
Hence why there are two entirely separate forum area's for the two types of events.

Meaning it's not a recognised part of EVE's actual history in terms of the storyline, just a 'hey we went and did this thing because game mechanics let us pretend to do it at the time' thing.
I mean, standing orders were to nuke the Gallente on the planet if attacked. It just wasn't automated to actually nuke the planet as an actual in game thing, which.... is very fortunate for a great many citizens on said planet. As amusing as it would have been to see all the 'oh *****' when they saw it nuke Caldari Prime because they shot at it.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#33 - 2014-11-06 16:13:59 UTC
I'm well aware of the difference. OP asked what the event was, I answered his question.


Though I think you're putting too much stock on the idea that the titan would fire at Caldari Prime, when it was under Caldari occupation... populated with Caldari citizens. But I digress.

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CCP Falcon
#34 - 2014-11-07 21:18:15 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Because 99.99999999999999999999999999% of the voting people are NPC's and live on the planets. Probably need a whole lot more 9's there also. The players are a drop in not just an ocean, but entire systems full of water worlds. There are trillions and trillions of people in New Eden.
So there is no way player votes would have the slightest impact on it.


Roughly 106,467,000,000,000 (106.476tn) approximately...

and of those... 19,991,000,000,000 (19.991tn) live in the Federation.

and of those... 14,362,000,000,000 (14.352tn) are eligible to vote.

Capsuleers are less than a grain of sand on a beach. Smile

With regards to the elections, I'd love to do something for them, but I'm unsure if we have the bandwidth to be perfectly honest.

I'll speak with a few people next week.

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Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#35 - 2014-11-07 21:44:52 UTC
Those 19.991 trillion people are less than likely to be able to rain death from the sky in a suitably equipped T1 destroyer.

Might is right!
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#36 - 2014-11-07 22:09:11 UTC
Sentient Blade wrote:
Those 19.991 trillion people are less than likely to be able to rain death from the sky in a suitably equipped T1 destroyer.

Might is right!

I think they have a fair few of those in the real Gal navy also, rather than the tiny amount that turns up in game to allow us to actually have functional game play :)
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#37 - 2014-11-08 06:51:55 UTC
Silverdaddy wrote:
what's the point of having selected membership in the only democratic faction if we do not have elections?

Well by that token I want to be able to be an Ishukone Shareholder.

More RP and gameplay integration would be cool. There's plenty of players who claims to be Amarr Holders, Caldari shareholders, or own X planetside assets and companies. It would be cool if that could be more than just words on a screen.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#38 - 2014-11-08 19:22:57 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Because 99.99999999999999999999999999% of the voting people are NPC's and live on the planets. Probably need a whole lot more 9's there also. The players are a drop in not just an ocean, but entire systems full of water worlds. There are trillions and trillions of people in New Eden.
So there is no way player votes would have the slightest impact on it.


Roughly 106,467,000,000,000 (106.476tn) approximately...

and of those... 19,991,000,000,000 (19.991tn) live in the Federation.

and of those... 14,362,000,000,000 (14.352tn) are eligible to vote.

Capsuleers are less than a grain of sand on a beach. Smile

With regards to the elections, I'd love to do something for them, but I'm unsure if we have the bandwidth to be perfectly honest.

I'll speak with a few people next week.

Cool


As long as something happens tbh. Even just a single news post announcing the victory of the candidate would be better than nothing.
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#39 - 2014-11-08 19:34:03 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Because 99.99999999999999999999999999% of the voting people are NPC's and live on the planets. Probably need a whole lot more 9's there also. The players are a drop in not just an ocean, but entire systems full of water worlds. There are trillions and trillions of people in New Eden.
So there is no way player votes would have the slightest impact on it.


Roughly 106,467,000,000,000 (106.476tn) approximately...

and of those... 19,991,000,000,000 (19.991tn) live in the Federation.

and of those... 14,362,000,000,000 (14.352tn) are eligible to vote.

Capsuleers are less than a grain of sand on a beach. Smile

With regards to the elections, I'd love to do something for them, but I'm unsure if we have the bandwidth to be perfectly honest.

I'll speak with a few people next week.

Cool

I understand time is limited, and my guess the election comes a bit badly times with all the wormhole stuff going on. But I would think a few ingame news articles would be great to set the mood a bit before a winner is announced for the elections.

In the past, ingame news articles published by CCP were usually a nice catalysator to energize RP/actions from certain groups & blocs, which in turn makes eve feel more alive in the end.

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Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#40 - 2014-11-08 19:36:18 UTC
I would very much like to get involved on the player-side of any RP activity surrounding the Gallente Federation, whether it's stirring the pot by throwing my character's weight behind a certain candidate, or running in the election or whatever.

I've been putting a few (minor) things into action on the player side, but RL has kept me out of the game a lot more than I want these past two weeks.

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