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Thanks, that does help with testing. (I also noticed the info-window for the weapons has "find in contracts" instead of "find market-details", so apparently someone messed something up when adding them into the game.)

It's very close to patch day. They will probably only do at most one more patch to SiSi before Phoebe hit's TQ.

So if they patch SiSi again and it still has these weapons then it's a good bet that they are in the release and
they just haven't added them to the patch notes yet.

Patch notes are works in progress until [and sometimes after] patch day.

If they are still working on balancing these weapons then they might not have the stats to put in the patch notes yet.

Or it's possible that they have pulled them so they can have more time to rework them*.

Which is my preferred option as of this moment.

*they don't need much work, just make them affordable, and boost the range.


Incidentally "Polaris weapons" sounds better than Polarized** and avoids the whole "how to you polarise a missile?" thing. If they are being delayed I vote for a "post final name change name change" from Polarized to Polaris.

**Damn American spellings...

This feature wasn't meant to be part of Phoebe. It was announced for Rhea during EVE Vegas.

P.S. Is there any information about the source of those weapons?
Are they going to be invented like other t2 or will the BPC come from exploration sites (like most of the other newly introduced modules)?
What will be the factor to drive their prices up? Will they use faction weapon components (added in exploration sites in Phoebe)?

"The new weapons as teased at EVE Vegas 2014 for the Pheobe release in November."
Unless I missed an update somewhere?

I did some math at work this night. For my style of fighting this is going to work really well. The weapons are for from under-powered. But using them in brawls or (most) PvE is probably not the way to go. I am fine with this as I think any new weapons should be edge cases and specializations for a special and narrow task. After all, weapons work fine as they are now. There is balance.

I would really like to see them (CCP) rework this into a feature in over-heating, for weapon modules, that would do the same thing as I stated before, maybe it was a wall of text, so for consideration:

Standard -> Over-heating -> Overloading

Standard = as is
Over-heating = we all know this one that have done it and use it.
Overloading =
1. damage = x amount of standard - balanced as needed but significant to be applicable to the use and risk/reward.
2. heat damage = x amount of heat - again balanced but to a degree that the amount of damage is in balance with the above and,...
3. Module damage from heat = no repair on that module, so you can fire as long as it is able, but damage is like ammo, and once it's burned out, it's burned out for good, and you have to buy another one.
4. Resists = since you are overloading your weapons, you are basically sending in over amounts of power to them, this has to come from somewhere, and this is where resists go down - you have re-routed the power from this to the weapons = you are now a glass cannon of sorts, (buffer tanks and all still apply, but resists are 0%) until you repair.

Now this can use all existing mechanics in the game, and doesn't require new modules, it makes the existing ones have an expendable mode of operation, where they then become like ammo - they are used up. This alone makes this concept better, it will drive market, as well as give players choices rather than limitations in the way they use existing ships and modules and how their tactics evolve, as well as making the expectation of what someone else might do tactically broader - since someone can now with the flip of a switch turn a ship that is normal or could be over-heated, into a very nasty but gimped glass cannon if the decided to up the stakes and risk it all on a single or couple shots (depending on how this is implemented) before they lose the ability to shoot and have to deal while doing it and after with no resists.

Optionally there could be a timer on the resists - as the weapons burn out or the mode is turned off, they could either come back online, or have a timer to come back up slowly to normal as the power returns to them... etc.

Thank you for reading, I hope this idea gains some +1s and support.

Personally, I would prefer something like the mode-change for the new T3-destroyers. A mode giving more firepower while lowering your defenses. Practically what the weapons are supposed to be right now, just without completely dropping the resists.

But this is because I abhor extremes and would never fit Polarized weapons as they are now. I tend to like having a plan for emergencies and not having any resists sounds like just inviting disaster to me.

One test fit I tried used plates and two active armor-reps to give at least some survivability. But: It turns out I could fit the ship normally with tank and T2-weapons and would have ended up with more DPS. That's kind of what I mean: Why should I ever use Polarized weapons if the difference to normal weapons is so low? I can just fit 1-2 more weapon mods and suddenly I have more DPS.

Or I guess I can solely fit for damage on my Polarized-ship and hope I never get hit.

On the other hand, if those "glass cannons" see a lot of use in gangs and fleets, I'll quitely accept this. More stuff for my main to find while doing exploration. I just don't want Polarized weapons ending up so useless they'll end up shitting my part of the game, too.

what if you would only lose resists when you fire?

Looking at the overall stats, it would appear as though the stats on at least the large Polarized weapons fall short of Officer weapons. While that does make sense, it also means that the DPS of Polarized weapons is more or less set in stone. So what we have is a series of short-range weapons that do more damage than comparable Faction or T2 versions at probably double what current Faction weapons cost.

As others have alluded to, the complete loss of resistances tend to preclude use of these weapons outside select mission blitzing and structure grinding. Consequently, they're almost certainly going to be cost prohibitive for ganking, PvP and general PvE use. While I appreciate the initial intent, unless the cost of these new weapons are brought down significantly I just don't see them being utilized.

ummm, resists are not multiplicative (sp?)....they add the % of the difference between the starting resist and 100. installing a module that adds 40%, to a ship that has a 0%, will infact add 40%, since that is .4 of the difference between 0 and 100. Try this out yourself by putting a EM resist mod on a base ship, and tell me if the resist stays at 0, or if it raises to the amount of the module.

These modules however just delete all resists at the end-state, so nothing can raise them.

Anywho, can we stop asking the same question that has been answered repeatedly throughout this thread and get CCP's attention to the things that are still wonky with these new guns?