Player Features and Ideas Discussion

+1 to that. Don't forget about the ISBoxing ISK printing machines.

I'm quite mad that an alliance such Pasta can still isboxers without any risk.

Isboxers are ruining this game since years, completely killing any gameplay and the eve community.

Im not surprised CCP soundwave left, last words i heard from him:

" Isbox..errrss..madness.. has to s..."

Im sure he tried to say "stopped"

check please the damage of void bomb, actually with "old" damage they nuke normal damage bomb in same volley.

huh?

Removed an off topic post.

And there is boxing players in CFC as well, point still comes down to multi boxing software like ISBoxer IS the problem really where as fozzie seems to want to address this your still going to loose expensive things to MOA :) worry more when its all of MOA and replicator at once

I am glad that CCP stepped back on this, I don't think the cloaking mechanics were the issue, I also don't think ISBoxer is an issue either. The issue has always been with the bombs themselves, they are largely unavoidable once launched, and the suffer minor drawbacks to any means of tanking outside of buffer. They impact shield ships more than anything due to the sig bloom of shields, and the supposed trade off of more agility/speed than armor isn't accounted for.

I think to really put bombs in to line you absolutely must allow for speed tanking the damage as a form of mitigation. Giving bombs a similar explosion radius as torpedoes will allow for gangs designed around a speed concept more chance at survivability, while still allowing for stopping power against larger ships...however if larger ships fit smart bombs they can mitigate damage using a fire wall technique.

Tweaking the bombs for a speed check is probably the single best thing one can do to balance bombs in the game right now. It isn't the ship or the number of them, it is the essentially unavoidable damage.

but it has semantics on its side, which is 95% of what drives balance, so

Immunity?
How about learn to play and HTFU instead of isboxing 30 accounts with I WIN button.

You don't have skill that's why you need this mechanic to show others how awesome you are.

Noob.

I believe your line of thought is fairly correct.

Requiring a line of single purpose ships for a fleet is usually fairly boring gameplay. Most people want to be the one up front shooting their guns and doing damage. This can be reflected in most games where the damage dealing classes are abundant and utility classes are highly sought after. IE Tanks, healers, buffers.

The reason we still have players that play those utility based classes is the need for them regardless of the situation. You are almost always going to need a tank, healer, and or buffer. The benefits aren't niche, they are a requirement.

With that line of thought, introducing a line of ships or in our case, a fit for a ship, that is dedicated 100% for anti bomb or bomber, the players arent going to want fly a ship on the offchance that they may be bombed. Putting those launchers on a dic ( which are almost always primary'd anyway ) puts a target on a target already.

Instead of forcing an entire ship to be balanced around anti bomb, how about a single module that can be put on anything battlecruisers or larger?

Balancing issues aside, i was thinking maybe a BC+ sized module that works similar to ECM Burst. Long cooldown with an area effect that disables launched bombs. Cooldown on these would have to be long so that you cannot have 1 or 2 defend an entire fleet from bombs, but at the same time allow larger ships to still defend against bombs somewhat.

The drawbacks would have to be fairly large, but you would also have to be unable to see that the ships are packing these anti bomb emp burst ( lol? ) modules until deployed. Coordination in large fleets to be able to spread these modules to cycle them within a fleet to maintain bomb defense would be vital. However this would pretty much make BC and larger fleets immune to bombs 100%. The drawback would ahve to be implemented to counter this. Perhaps it works similar to ECM Burst and guarantee target break within that zone. This would allow the opposing fleet to take advantage of the enemy fleet using these modules.

100% ecm can also be bad as it can be abused to break locks on tackle and used inappropriately. so a different penalty would have to be implemented. But I'm just tossing ideas around right now.

The problem right now is that battlecruiers and battleships see very little deployment due to the threat of bombs. ( and warp speed, but thats another can of worms ) perhaps giving larger hulls a means of defending against bombers would be a move int he right direction. The issue of bombers being OP isnt always necessarily their stats, but the balance of available defense moves against them, or lack these of.

just 2cent