Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You won't be seeing the "blue donut burning" until their next phase of the nullsec revamp strikes. That'd be the sov system.

They never should have been introduced, but we can't Monday Morning Quarterback it now. Its here, lets deal with it.

So wait, you're gonna leave it to ccp to do the details of "rebelance capitals"?

What about some amazing specifics about jump fatigue?! Yes, it is already here!

I wouldn't be so sad. If you look at it the way things are now, we are a mercenary alliance, in an environment where being a mercenary is meaningless.

Now with Phoebe...a mercenary alliance can be very valuable. I can foresee us actually taking space, or destroying assets for our Retainers, whereas I doubt we could do that before (generally we leave when the 200 usual archons show up). So the potential for us to have a meaningful purpose is blossoming.

And just who is it you think will come and take sov right next to 1,000 or 2,000 Goons, without the express permission of Mittens and his underlings?

No matter how much they change sov mechanics the status quo is unlikely to change much.
You may not manage to hold sov in some of the less used systems - So what, they don't get used now, why should that change?
If someone you don't like tries to move in there, you going to say Goons, with a little under 12k members, are just going to sit back and say - Ok you can have it.

I am hoping for occupancy based sov but even if that is what we get, it is likely to change little as far as who can and can't take/hold sov.

Any newly formed and many existing corp or alliance of 2,000 or 3,000 trying to move into nulsec or relocate to take their own sov, is going to be so severely restricted by the draconian, punitive travel changes being introduced next month, it will be very unlikely to happen.
Forget any chance of a small alliance of less than 1,000 taking sov, unless they are blue to everyone near enough to attack them, they just won't have the manpower to fight off the blue donut.

What we end up with will be 2 or 3 large coalitions covering swathes of nulsec who are all blue to each other.
The most sought after nulsec for anyone who wants to pvp will be that adjoining npc nulsec regions. After all, they will be the only ones close enough for you to fight.

CCP Greyscale - Giving nulsec the Blues, 1 update at a time.

Note to Greyscale - You should prepare the press release for your changes carefully. I have a title for you - Capital AltsOnline post Phoebe - not as catchy as EveOnline post Phoebe but is at least an honest description of how the game will be played.

Yes but if it doesn't fit with -THEIR VISION- then it will be nerfed.

Titans took a while of being non-rare to get hit, but hey, you know it'll happen like with battle rorqs or whatnot

Interesting, I would have thought the cyno created the hole and the ships followed it. The same as using a jump bridge or wormhole or any other form of jump portal. The pilot can not form his own destination, he can ONLY jump to the coordinates at the end of the hole/portal. Which is created by a 3rd party, not the "mental effort" of the pilot.

If in fact a pilot is responsible for creating the hole by mental effort, does that not mean there is no need for cynos, jump beacons, jump bridges etc - The pilot would use "mental effort" to select the destination.

The HOLE logic behind and reason for cynosural fields, worm holes, jump bridges and even gates, just got changed.
You seem to have forgotten, a gate between systems is a hole created in space to allow travel between selected places (like a jump bridge), why would that not create fatigue?


So the long term plan for nulsec is homogenization, so each region has access to everything they need to live in nulsec?
Yeah that's going to open up lots of reason for conflict.

Ahh good, at least we didn't forget anything - Capitals will now be allowed to use gates and cynos, beacons etc but to ensure they can't do both at the same time to minimize risk - A solution is being implemented - Glad I didn't miss that bit. Well done.

I am all for change - As long as the proposed changes make sense - You explanation as to how fatigue works, does not make sense.

on this, I have an idea...
because space is fluid, each point in space is continually in motion, the purpose of the cyno field is to give the pilot an all clear in the area of that field, so that the pilot can jump to those x, y, z coordinates; depending on the location, those same coordinates could be in the middle of a sun, or planet 20 minutes later, so, knowing a set of coordinates in and of itself doesn't mean that you can safely jump there, you need the eyes of the cyno pilot and the field they generate to ensure that the place you are going to is safe to land in.

Granted the planets in our systems now, moons and other things do not orbit, and part of that reason is because of the difficulty in making a station beacon update it's location every second or so, then multiply that by each station, moon, bookmark or other object in space... it would be impossible for CCP to do at this point.
now apply that same logic to the ability to jump to a point in space, and reduce the need to accurately keep "exact" position information to that of just the cyno and the purpose of the cyno field, in conjunction with the pilot's ability to focus on that known "safe" point in space, then the whole idea makes perfect sense.

just something to consider...

o/
Celly Smunt


E: I forgot to add the part about the gates continually talking to each other via the gate communication network.. I forget where I read that at, but it is plausible that since they only need to know where each other is, and of course TCU/Ihub, ect ect info, there's no need for extraneous communications

This is just Incarna all over again.....fix what needs fixing first. SOV needs fixing. Then rebalance ships to fit within the new SOV mechanic. Leave ranges alone. Fatigue is a crap idea, its a band aid at best and it only hurts small entities with fewer pilots. If a corp only has one JF pilot then you have basically limited them to only 10 Ly from a high sec entrance. WOW instead of expanding your universe you have shrunk it.

I do - and i also know that each twist has a limit of being useful and smart in a complex system. When you reach the point that those twists break more things than they improve its fair game to say: you twisted too much.