Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Maybe, but if I'm moving a super, that's not so easy. I will have to have caches of black ops all over the place. When they cost a billion a hull, that's still not going to be a financially feasible plan. So, ok I carry one in my SMA. But wait, where does my super go while I'm doing this workaround? Into a sitter you say? OK, did we conveniently have a sitter alt sitting in a station at this deployment area? No, it's in hostile territory. And I'm certainly not going to let a super just sit unpiloted in hostile territory.

Your argument is a good one, but still not a reason to not give blops the bonus.

As per http://themittani.com/features/breaking-fatigue-ducking-new-speed-limit I feel the changes are insufficient and need more work to more robustly prevent loopholes exploiting and bypassing the fatigue mechanic.

TL;DR, the example in the devblog makes it appear like a massive nerf, but there are ways around it that the largest coalitions have the resources to exploit fully due to the fact fatigue applies to characters only. Fatigue needs to apply to both the hull and the character to prevent such exploits. Hulls with fatigue should not be packagable or reprocessable, avoiding issues with packaging etc. (insurance fraud is a bit wasteful to avoid fatigue).

eve is dead so this change makes sense.

1) Your home port/base analogy is flawed. Ships/planes etc aren't bound to a port or base, they can move across the entire globe if they want to, all they need is for something to fill them up, just like caps do now.
2) If I get podded, and don't have this implant, then I'm completely unable to use caps?
3) If I'm in the wrong clone, then I'm completely unable to fly caps until I've jumpcloned into the "right clone", which essentially means jumpclones are unusable the instant I decide to become a caps pilot.
4) If I'm in a supercarrier or titan, then I'm going to have to eject out of the supercarrier/titan to "change base", thus either requiring that I bring along a second char just to deploy, setup my own tower just to change the station the "jump drive clone" is, or chance it and eject in a public POS. I'm sure nothing'll go wrong there.
5) If I buy a cap >32ly from where my JDC is, then I'm going to have to wait up to 7 days just to go fetch it, then move as close as I can get, dock up, wait 7 days to move my JDC to the current system, then do the final leg of the move, wait another 7 days and finally get the JDC in the system I actually want to "station out of".
6) If I want to move from one part of the map to another in 15 minutes, all I have to do is have 2 (or 3 or more, I can't be arsed to check the distance of the entire map) chars with this implant, pre-setup in 32ly intervals and basically just pony express across the entire map.

My head hurts. Yeah being a super pilot totally nullifies all of your conditions for this implant. Interesting idea, but restricting capitals to a single clone doesn't make any logistical sense. If it was a special implant like the special edition genaural-gold-pod-blingy-thingy, which once installed is on all your clones and cannot be removed. But then what sense does that make other than to make you spend isk on something you don't need?

MOst makers can deliver to a closer station, but yeah, anything over 64ly will require help and/or a clone move.Certainly an inconvenience but then how many individual pilots buy more than 1 carrier a week? ;)


Sure, but ferrying and caching ships will be possible under the existing plan. But since a fleet = pilots + ships this will render this tactic minimally effective, as the dilution of pilot density would severely compromise local strike power. You can build a ship in a month, a pilot in a year, but how long does a fleet team take to build?

You know why I didn't shoot holes in the idea until you started nagging people about it?

It's because unlike your scaling sov cost idea, it'd actually do what you think it'd do without being absolutely cockstabby. I don't like the things I brought up, but it would be something we could live with if CCP had actually implemented it.

Edit: But, you asked, so I provided. vOv

Yeah I see what you mean. But I still require the freedom to clone to hisec to drive my jump freighter, jump to my home pocket for some carrier ratting and then back to my super for delicious tears, and finally to my blingy blops for even more tears.

(EDIT: Not that this is what I do currently, but what I could do, if in fact I owned this stuff )

Having ONE clone specified ONLY for doing cynosural activities makes us own a baseball team just to do the **** we do on a daily basis, and that's not what I signed up for. Sure, I have a boatload of alts, but they do other stuff than be my personal clone army.

It has some merit in that it is very restrictive in what you can do, but what does it do other than make everyone own 15 alts just to accomplish daily activities? What is the point? What are you trying to accomplish other than totally ruining the end game experience (the new player experience is bad enough) for people who have invested tens or hundreds of billions of isk and thousands of man-hours in acquiring and maintaining these beasts? I am glad that I am in an alliance that supports our growth as capital pilots, and that we get gudfights with the "otherguys". That's what keeps me here.

I have busted my ass for the past two years to get where I am.

A lot of things have changed from what CCP initially designed them for, thats the nature of change. It happens.

But a draconian measure such as restricting cynosural activities to one specific clone per toon is a subscription killer for sure. Look at the uproar that the range restriction scratched up.

I don't see it happening.

I don't know what future plans are for nulsec.
I do know, limiting the "fun" aspect of the game with player fatigue is a game killer for many.

These changes - So now everyone can use capitals in their home space without fear of being dropped by Goons, BL or PL from the other side of nulsec.. HOW FUKIN BORING.
Knowing they were out there was what made small gang capitals so much fun. You just never knew what was gong to happen.
Screw making nulsec and loswec safer by limiting capital use - If you aren't prepared to lose it or "can't afford" to lose it - DON"T FUKIN FLY IT
You want to reduce the ability of the big capital groups to hotdrop from across the universe - Reduced jump range with a ship based - Time to next jump - is all that is needed. Fatigue on players rather than the ship is going to be a huge failure as alt armies can still get capitals where they want them.

CCP have now taken on the role of protector from capital hotdrops - So much for not interfering with actual game play.
CCP have decided to dictate to everyone who plays eve how it will be played with a bunch of so far secret changes. So much for not interfering with actual game play.

If CCP wanted to be professional about these changes and honestly wanted player feedback to help guide the direction the game takes, it would all be available for players to see and comment on.
We don't want to reveal more just yet, is saying - You as the player don't need to know, we are doing this and you'll get the information as we see fit.
Long term plans for the game you, the players built are no business of you, the player.

Capital jump drive fuel increases - This change will help to balance ice usage due to the loss of pos's from industry changes - Well that just went out the window with the introduction of limited jump ability due to fatigue. I do feel sorry for all those dedicated ice miners (not really) your time vs reward just got shot to hell.

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Super corps and mega alliances have control of nulsec now - limiting the ability of everyone to move about is not going to change that.

Stage 1 of the ongoing nulsec changes was industry, mining and increased fuel for capitals
(this all looked good, until)

Stage 2 removes or at best limits many of the benefits given in stage 1

Whatever happens from now on will only create a nice little harmonious nulsec.
Everyone will need as many blues as possible to ensure supply of minerals, moon goo, salvage and anything else needed to build an empire based on who has the best ratting ships and the biggest ceptor gangs

There will be no major wars or conflicts, as someone I spoke to earlier said, sov will never be free and the costs of holding sov will only increase, with the limitations on movement holding sov to keep your enemies at bay, sort of becomes less important therefore less costly to alliances.
You won't need to hold sov to use the space, you won't need it to stop someone else using it. If someone tries to move in next door to you and you like them ok they can stay but if you don't like them, you just push them out. No need to go to the expense of taking sov, a few quick fights and its done.

Big alliances will only need to hold sov in key points around any region to lock that region down.
Aside from wormholes which are random, there are limited ways to get into most regions, this limitation only grows with such limited range and punitive fatigue changes. So large alliances become "The Doormen" of nulsec. Goons are already ensuring their status as "Doormen" with plans to cache capitals in strategic places. I'm sure others are doing the same.

For smaller alliances and corps;
You want to move to nulsec, either the doorman likes you or you pay them, 2 very distinct choices. No-one will need capital ships to fight for a region, constellation or even a system - Those who live there already have caps there and the only way for you to get caps there is through the blue donut. Which of course will get bigger because of the increased need being self sufficient.

BLOOP double post..