EVE New Citizens Q&A

Heyo! Some of you might remember me spending a good bit of time around these parts, but I took a break starting a few months ago. Anyway, I've been monitoring Eve and the incoming changes are pretty great. So great, that I'm returning to try my hand at founding and running another swashbuckling PvP corp.

This leads to my question: what are the expectations of a small PvP-focused corp in an alliance in nullsec? Also, what are teh expectations for its members? I realize the answer changes from alliance to alliance, but it's subjective so I'm asking it anyway.

More details:

I would like to run a corp basing in nullsec and focusing on "roaming" PvP -- using small forces to secure nearby friendly space or attack hostile space (and its residents). I realize that "hey, we're a small gang roaming group, can we use your station for staging?" is unlikely to get a "yes" since the owners of the space gain nothing out of it. So... what would they want to gain out of it?

What are your thoughts on it? What expectations should I plan for?

Wb!

Never mind this bit, I thought you mentioned NPC null... Im tired
Not sure how much input you'll get from this section, but here's my .2 ISK:

Null sec PVP corps on the small side will need to be able to field fight generator ships ( handful of dreads at least )
You will need some logistics to supply the Npc station for your members ( amount really depends on the type of player in your corp, some may be perfectly comfortable hauling in their own stuff )
You will need med clones in a station or as nearby as is expected
Nearby content, I.e close enough to harass the local SOV holders / neighbors

NPC null is where groups go to grow or die however. You will either attract and build a group of folk having fun together or everyone will get annoyed and break away back to their own thing.

I suspect you can make it work with anything as long as you got the right people, this short list is just from my time on the other end of the stick.

Biggest annoyance will be finding office space near a med clone facility from my limited experience.


... Actual op answer ....


Doctrine fleet activity, isk for dues etc. Actually work for alliance leadership.
Killboard activity ( green )
Depending on your alliance - some level of corp self sustainability.

The list is easy when your just joining an established group... It's the same as joining a corp as a newbie and asking what is expected :)

Acute Bittervet Syndrome. Even though I love Eve, its community, and its ideals, I was not able to find anything fun to do on a day to day basis, so I figured it was time for a break. The new changes have done a lot to make me excited again, so maybe it's time to make a glorious return.

For a bit more context on this topic: my first 1-2 years in Eve were spent by and large in nullsec, living in Catch/Providence with Ushra'Khan, fighting CVA+friends. I know how nullsec works on a day to day basis and on a personal level, but I was never involved in managing the corp or alliance, so I don't know how that differs from my previous experience running a corp.


Not a problem.


That bit about doctrines is interesting. Even though I understand the point of doctrines, I never loved adhering to them and would prefer to run support roles: scouting, tackling, catching stragglers, or even hauling ammo to the fleet during an unexpectedly-long structure bash. I don't personally really have a problem with it anymore, but if I want the corp I run to be newbie-friendly (and I do), doctrines are a huge obstacle. I can't introduce new players to PvP if I have to make them train to fly an arty Abaddon (or whatever the current meta is) instead of a wide variety of small ships so they get a good sample of what they can do. How universal is the doctrine expectation?

As for the "asshat FC", I will probably be the asshat FC.


That figures. I might have a few strings I can pull. As a PvP-focused corp, we definitely would not be able to afford rent. That's fine, though, since we don't actually need the sovereignty ourselves, or exclusive access to a system. Just a station with a semblance of a market, and with fun to be had nearby.

Thanks for the insight!

Am there too, usually only log in for a quick snooping around in chats and updating of skillqueue (for 1 more month...Thanks CCP for endless skillqueue).

I just keep subbed, do some "keeping the social aspect warm" stuff and for the rest try out other games (again).



That really depends on who you fly with.

And often, bringing some support ship (Ewar / Tackle frigates) is fine if you can't fly the actual doctrine ship yet...just don't be "That Drake Guy"...


But there are many different doctrines around and some are not that "Vet status needed", hell...look how BNI took space and with the avg. age of their members.

Little recent hands on experience, however:

I suspect the requirement to be a fully functional corp prior to joining an established alliance is not exactly a "firm rule"

You remember what it was like out there, some alliances recruit anyone they can. Others are real strict, most fall I between.

Isn't brave still a thing? I thought they still recruited nearly anything but my null Intel is likely way out of date.

Yep, I'll keep that in mind.



They are, but from what I've seen they have a culture of not caring about being competent or challenged as long as it's fun for them. More power to them for making it work, but that's not an atmosphere I admire. Still, thanks for the suggestion.

Strange sentiment. You want your ally to be try hard competent PvP vets but at the same time you refuse to adjust to any fleet doctrines.
Yeah that probably will work really well

Welcome back!

Nope.

But 95% of the people's PvP knowledge in fleets in null-sec now a days is:

Press F1 when FC tells me to press F2.
Press F2 when FC tells me to press F2.




Like Petrus, it's why I left null-sec. I rather have quality over quantity.

Sure, doctrines are fine and needed. But I rather fight with a small group, based on quality of it's pilots and lose then just being a +1 in the blob-herd.

Anybody can win a fight if he can just throw more people into the grind then the opposite side, that's not fighting, that's boring.

I suspect that specific doctrines are only required after a certain size. One of the big benifits of doctrines is to make it easier to lead fleets of larger groups. A small group of pilots well aware of their and their fleetmates abilities should in theory be capable of dismantling a similiar sized group or at least compete.

My hunch.