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Make Jump Bridge/POS Cyno Becon network usable be alliance member ONLY
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Oddsodz
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-10-11 18:31:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Oddsodz
So here is my reasoning for the above.

Right now. All Major power blocks in 0,0 have blue good standings to each other. And this in most cases mean they can use each others jump bridge network. This in it's self has meant that power blocks have been able to to project power far from there borders as they can have alliance "A" who live up north, Come down to the south in a sort space of time because they can use their friends who live in the middle jump bridge network. Now if they can't use their friends network. They would have to take gates or Titan bridge (and or wormholes). This one change would curb some of the power projection issues.

The 2nd up shot is that freighters (I also mean Jump freighters too) would now "HAVE" to be in corp/alliance to use the jump bridge network. Right now, freighter alts can just side step war decs by just staying in the NPC corps. This makes it very hard to attack a 0,0 alliance logistic to hi sec with anything apart from suicide ganks. This change would make 0.0 power blocks think more about moving stuff to and from jita. They will have to guard/Escort their freighters. And that means more pilots in space with more chance of Pew Pew.

Thanks for reading.

Oddsodz
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2014-10-11 18:39:32 UTC
I'd wait to see how the fatigue mechanics work out first. They might have a decent impact in using too many bridges in a row.
Oddsodz
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-10-11 18:45:48 UTC
Rowells wrote:
I'd wait to see how the fatigue mechanics work out first. They might have a decent impact in using too many bridges in a row.



That is a good point, But as we have seen. Most industrial and freighters ships are going to get a hand in the jumping fatigue system. This would help curb that possible exploit of their use.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2014-10-11 20:54:31 UTC
Surely this would just force alliances like mine to merge with alliances like goonswarm?
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#5 - 2014-10-11 22:52:15 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Surely this would just force alliances like mine to merge with alliances like goonswarm?


Is there a limit on how many corporations can be in an alliance? If not (or if the limit is absurdly high) the only thing this change would accomplish is turning the coalitions into mega-alliances.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#6 - 2014-10-11 23:22:58 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Surely this would just force alliances like mine to merge with alliances like goonswarm?


That is correct.

The only way this works is if holding sov requires holding the entire constellation, there is a limit on how many constellations you can hold, and you have to be in the same corp to use the jump bridge network. Even that can be gamed.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Oddsodz
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-10-12 01:20:53 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Surely this would just force alliances like mine to merge with alliances like goonswarm?


Yes it would if you want to use your friends network. What would be the big deal anyway? Your all friends right now anyway? Twisted

I think eve should not be about power block / maga coalitions. It should be about Mega alliances. Every time you sign up to blue your friends. Just means a way for you to go around some game mechanic of some sort. My idea curbs some of that. Right now I find it hard to have any effect on a 0,0 coalitions transport logistics in hi sec due to out of corp/NPC alts. Not unless I wish to suicide gang. Not everybody wishes to brake CONCORD law (lol Yeh right).

If your going to be blue to each other. You might as well be in the same alliances. But that's just me. Like I said, It's another way to curb some of the possible way that the coalitions can "GAME" the up coming changes for jump fatigue by using transport logistics ships. Also means, Blueing your friends does not have more than is necessary benefits.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2014-10-12 05:29:41 UTC
Oddsodz wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Surely this would just force alliances like mine to merge with alliances like goonswarm?


Yes it would if you want to use your friends network. What would be the big deal anyway? Your all friends right now anyway? Twisted

I think eve should not be about power block / maga coalitions. It should be about Mega alliances. Every time you sign up to blue your friends. Just means a way for you to go around some game mechanic of some sort. My idea curbs some of that. Right now I find it hard to have any effect on a 0,0 coalitions transport logistics in hi sec due to out of corp/NPC alts. Not unless I wish to suicide gang. Not everybody wishes to brake CONCORD law (lol Yeh right).

If your going to be blue to each other. You might as well be in the same alliances. But that's just me. Like I said, It's another way to curb some of the possible way that the coalitions can "GAME" the up coming changes for jump fatigue by using transport logistics ships. Also means, Blueing your friends does not have more than is necessary benefits.



But it does absolutely nothing to logistics whatsoever?

Undock neutral alt with JF in Jita -> jump to lowsec -> dock up, trade JF to alliance member -> jump into sov space

I believe that's pretty much what happens anyway, so your idea does nothing like what you intended it to.
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#9 - 2014-10-12 07:25:06 UTC
It's an interesting idea

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Oddsodz
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-10-12 13:47:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Oddsodz
Danika Princip wrote:



But it does absolutely nothing to logistics whatsoever?

Undock neutral alt with JF in Jita -> jump to lowsec -> dock up, trade JF to alliance member -> jump into sov space

I believe that's pretty much what happens anyway, so your idea does nothing like what you intended it to.



But it does, It means you in alliances "A" can not go and your your blue friends in alliances "B" jump bridge network. And you will have to adjust your travel route that may have to take you into hostel space. Or you may have to use a normal player made cyno, That means more pilots in space, More pilots in space means more chance to Pew Pew
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2014-10-12 15:56:42 UTC
Oddsodz wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:



But it does absolutely nothing to logistics whatsoever?

Undock neutral alt with JF in Jita -> jump to lowsec -> dock up, trade JF to alliance member -> jump into sov space

I believe that's pretty much what happens anyway, so your idea does nothing like what you intended it to.



But it does, It means you in alliances "A" can not go and your your blue friends in alliances "B" jump bridge network. And you will have to adjust your travel route that may have to take you into hostel space. Or you may have to use a normal player made cyno, That means more pilots in space, More pilots in space means more chance to Pew Pew



But if you are using jump freighters for your logistics, this is irrelevant. If I were a jump freighter pilot, I would not need to use a goonswarm jump bridge to get from Jita to the CFC home system of YA0. Nor would I have to go anywhere near hostile space. Nor are station cynos vulnerable at all.

You do know that people don't generally send JFs through bridges, and that bridges have nothing to do with cynos, right?

Your suggestion does nothing to logistics at all, it just hurts line members trying to move around to get to markets or ratting space. That, or, it forces people to merge into single alliances, so you'd end up with a sov map that looks like this: http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/VeriteChina/Cinfluence.png
Tappits
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#12 - 2014-10-12 15:59:14 UTC
The dumbest thing CCP did with Jump bridges was the removal of jump bridge passwords :(
Oddsodz
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-10-12 17:17:26 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Oddsodz wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:



But it does absolutely nothing to logistics whatsoever?

Undock neutral alt with JF in Jita -> jump to lowsec -> dock up, trade JF to alliance member -> jump into sov space

I believe that's pretty much what happens anyway, so your idea does nothing like what you intended it to.



But it does, It means you in alliances "A" can not go and your your blue friends in alliances "B" jump bridge network. And you will have to adjust your travel route that may have to take you into hostel space. Or you may have to use a normal player made cyno, That means more pilots in space, More pilots in space means more chance to Pew Pew



But if you are using jump freighters for your logistics, this is irrelevant. If I were a jump freighter pilot, I would not need to use a goonswarm jump bridge to get from Jita to the CFC home system of YA0. Nor would I have to go anywhere near hostile space. Nor are station cynos vulnerable at all.

You do know that people don't generally send JFs through bridges, and that bridges have nothing to do with cynos, right?

Your suggestion does nothing to logistics at all, it just hurts line members trying to move around to get to markets or ratting space. That, or, it forces people to merge into single alliances, so you'd end up with a sov map that looks like this: http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/VeriteChina/Cinfluence.png


Remember, It's not just about JUMP freighters. Combat fleets would also have the same restriction. Sure Jump freighters will not suffer to much, but freighters (not Jump freighters) Deep space transports, Blockade Runners and all the t1 haulers would be subject to this. The idea is to add time to move Blob "A" from one side of eve to the other. Hell, If my idea was to be put into the game. There could then be a case for not having "JUMP Fatigue" on the jump bridge network at all.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2014-10-12 17:23:52 UTC
Oddsodz wrote:


Remember, It's not just about JUMP freighters. Combat fleets would also have the same restriction. Sure Jump freighters will not suffer to much, but freighters (not Jump freighters) Deep space transports, Blockade Runners and all the t1 haulers would be subject to this. The idea is to add time to move Blob "A" from one side of eve to the other. Hell, If my idea was to be put into the game. There could then be a case for not having "JUMP Fatigue" on the jump bridge network at all.



Nobody does major logistics work with any of those things. (no, the occasional ihub or sov upgrade s not major logistics work, and would be laughably easy to fit through even the current multi-alliance networks even with your proposal.)

And you would do nothing whatsoever to the speed of movement if people just blobbed up into single alliances. As you have been told would happen multiple times now.

So your idea would just cause the universe to become much more homogenised. Why is that good?
Oddsodz
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-10-12 19:17:52 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:


So your idea would just cause the universe to become much more homogenised. Why is that good?

Because now I would only have one target alliance to wardec instead of over 9000. Also, It would mean drama for them that don't want to give up that alliance CEO spot. Right now you are all homogenised as it is in all but name. So to argue that point is not really an issue. Join into the mega alliance or stay out and not get to use your blue friends jump bridge. Choice would be yours.
bigman111222
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#16 - 2014-10-12 20:32:49 UTC
This idea would have no effect on logistics. Freighters rarely travel long distances in null, let alone undefended.

As for effecting fleets it wont stop caches around eve and we will just travel in interceptors.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2014-10-12 21:10:37 UTC
Oddsodz wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:


So your idea would just cause the universe to become much more homogenised. Why is that good?

Because now I would only have one target alliance to wardec instead of over 9000. Also, It would mean drama for them that don't want to give up that alliance CEO spot. Right now you are all homogenised as it is in all but name. So to argue that point is not really an issue. Join into the mega alliance or stay out and not get to use your blue friends jump bridge. Choice would be yours.



It won't cause drama, mittens is already in charge of the CFC...

And if marmite can wardec everyone individually, so can you.


Also, when I actually read your title, you do know that POS cynogens are already alliance only, right? It's only the JBs that are open to standings...
Oddsodz
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-10-13 11:57:30 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:



Also, when I actually read your title, you do know that POS cynogens are already alliance only, right? It's only the JBs that are open to standings...


Yeh, that was a fail on my part.
Dwissi
Miners Delight Reborn
#19 - 2014-10-13 12:21:46 UTC
subbed and support the JB part +1

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