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pushing for harder punishment on hi sec gankers

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Cetaphil Thrace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#821 - 2014-10-08 19:41:08 UTC
When people say that not everyone wants to pvp, they may not mean exactly that. Does the game require people to make things for the market? I think so. EVE may be a pvp game but there is also a pvp only area right? Null and low. I enjoy doing both when i feel like it. There are no rules in this game really, and if someone wants to play in hi-sec, what is wrong with that? I do not have anything against anyone. Play the game how you want, just do not always try to tell others how it should be played to you. I hope people know what to do if they choose to play in hi-sec, that there is a chance to be killed while going about your day. And just be prepared, and don't cry if you are mining alone and don't look at local or use your scanner and you get popped. It just happens. Prepare yourself for a fight every time you undock. That is what makes the game thrilling for me.

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#822 - 2014-10-08 19:54:39 UTC
Cetaphil Thrace wrote:
there is also a pvp only area right? Null and low.


You are absolutely wrong. Highsec is as much a place for PvP as anywhere else, be it the ship vs ship kind or any other type.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#823 - 2014-10-08 20:00:59 UTC
Cetaphil Thrace wrote:
There are no rules in this game really, and if someone wants to play in hi-sec, what is wrong with that?


And if I want to blow up precisely those people, what is wrong with that?

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Cetaphil Thrace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#824 - 2014-10-08 20:19:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Cetaphil Thrace
admiral root wrote:
Cetaphil Thrace wrote:
there is also a pvp only area right? Null and low.


You are absolutely wrong. Highsec is as much a place for PvP as anywhere else, be it the ship vs ship kind or any other type.



I said a pvp only area, people dont go to low and null to go shopping! I know that you can pvp everywhere, gz, you guys way too over the top.
Cetaphil Thrace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#825 - 2014-10-08 20:20:26 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Cetaphil Thrace wrote:
There are no rules in this game really, and if someone wants to play in hi-sec, what is wrong with that?


And if I want to blow up precisely those people, what is wrong with that?



There is nothing wrong with that. Part of the game
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#826 - 2014-10-08 20:22:47 UTC
Cetaphil Thrace wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Cetaphil Thrace wrote:
there is also a pvp only area right? Null and low.


You are absolutely wrong. Highsec is as much a place for PvP as anywhere else, be it the ship vs ship kind or any other type.



I said a pvp only area, people dont go to low and null to go shopping! I know that you can pvp everywhere, gz, you guys way too over the top.


You can re-arrange your assets in your hanger in low / null, so there's non-PvP everywhere. Everything else is PvP.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#827 - 2014-10-08 20:35:34 UTC
Cetaphil Thrace wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Cetaphil Thrace wrote:
There are no rules in this game really, and if someone wants to play in hi-sec, what is wrong with that?


And if I want to blow up precisely those people, what is wrong with that?



There is nothing wrong with that. Part of the game


Then... what exactly are you trying to say?

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#828 - 2014-10-08 20:38:10 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Then... what exactly are you trying to say?


I think he thinks there's disctinctions between different types of space that don't actually exist. What do you think?

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Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#829 - 2014-10-08 20:44:18 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Then... what exactly are you trying to say?


I think he thinks there's disctinctions between different types of space that don't actually exist. What do you think?


I think he's just trying to agree with everybody at the same time, without actually expressing a clear opinion of his own. Some people just need to be part of the conversation, even though they don't have anything to contribute.

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Cetaphil Thrace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#830 - 2014-10-08 20:50:04 UTC
Haedonism Bot wrote:
admiral root wrote:
[quote=Kaarous Aldurald]Then... what exactly are you trying to say?


I think he thinks there's disctinctions between different types of space that don't actually exist. What do you think?


I think he's just trying to agree with everybody at the same time, without actually expressing a clear opinion of his own. Some people just need to be part of the conversation, even though they don't have anything to contribute.[/q




Sure that's it, and to think i thought this was an intelligent site. My opinion, is play the game how you likw. Do not tell others how it should be played. Not all that hard really.
Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
#831 - 2014-10-08 20:58:48 UTC
"Undock" means "consent" in Icelandic. Who knew it was a false cognate? So really all this is CCP's fault for leaving that word in the English game client. I'm sure you miners and haulers will understand and be relieved now that this confusion has been cleared up.

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#832 - 2014-10-08 21:03:24 UTC
Cetaphil Thrace wrote:
My opinion, is play the game how you likw. Do not tell others how it should be played. Not all that hard really.


There's nothing wrong with telling other people how to play the game if you have the firepower to back it up.

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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#833 - 2014-10-09 03:43:57 UTC  |  Edited by: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Saeger1737 wrote:
Dirk Magnum wrote:
Saeger1737 wrote:
Instead of a harder punishment, increase the challenge. Protect the sandbox don't diminish it.

Simple ideas to make everyone have fun:
1. Add at 15 second aggression timer to thieving folks, 15 minute safe log off timer.

This making gankers and loot whores alike to actually fit tank and form an escape plan more then just dock.

2. Increase GCC time from 15 to 20 minutes. This cutting back on ganks per hour.

Make the game fun for all not nerfed and boring.


That is a nerf, and does make the game boring for ganker and ganked alike. It also continues the slippery slope towards the total safety of highsec and the MMO-market irrelevance of Eve and it's "sandbox". There needs to be an absolute moratorium on ALL buffs to security in highsec. It's been buffed at least as much as it needs already.


Its a Nerf to risk adverse ganking, and introduces a challenge aspect other then undock shoot, concord, warp safe, dock up, reship.

Create content, stop being a mindless noob.

Please explain to me how increasing GCC timers increases content? It just sounds like more time docked to me. I'm more than willing to discuss nerfs to ganking if those nerfs are combined with a reduction in GCC timer length, not an increase, and if those nerfs increase player interaction rather than just increasing ships' ehp.

The length of the GCC timer is actually a detriment to anti-gankers as well as gankers, and artificially limits how often we can engage enemies.

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Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#834 - 2014-10-09 15:53:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Renegade Heart
GCC should be reduced to a 1 minute timer. If you disagree then you are a carebear!
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#835 - 2014-10-11 21:36:05 UTC
The problem isn't pvp in highsec. The problem is bot-like gankers who gank empty shuttles and pods every 15 minutes for lolz....and face no meaningful punishment by the police.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#836 - 2014-10-11 21:49:14 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
The problem isn't pvp in highsec. The problem is bot-like gankers who gank empty shuttles and pods every 15 minutes for lolz....and face no meaningful punishment by the police.


Which begs the question: Instead of begging CCP to make it harder for gankers, why don't you just get out there & make things harder for gankers yourselves? Or would that infringe too heavily on your bot-like gameplay?

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Azn Empire
#837 - 2014-10-11 21:54:01 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
The problem isn't pvp in highsec. The problem is bot-like gankers who gank empty shuttles and pods every 15 minutes for lolz....and face no meaningful punishment by the police.

Veers Belvar wrote:
Please refrain from further outlandish speculation unless you have conclusive evidence to the contrary. Thanks.

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Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#838 - 2014-10-11 21:55:47 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
The problem isn't pvp in highsec. The problem is bot-like gankers who gank empty shuttles and pods every 15 minutes for lolz....and face no meaningful punishment by the police.


You do understand that if I go afk for mere seconds in space a 1.0 system that I am punished by the police? Also, i fly about in space a lot. It's fun. I get people chasing me too. They use probes and stuff you know, but that just makes it all the more fun.

Perhaps you could try to hunt me down? I provide content for those that do!

Bot-like lol Roll

Now Veers, counter this with trolling all you like, but you are so wrong it's not even funny. And I ain't responding unless you make seriously good points.
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Safety.
#839 - 2014-10-11 22:02:10 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
The problem isn't pvp in highsec. The problem is bot-like gankers who gank empty shuttles and pods every 15 minutes for lolz....and face no meaningful punishment by the police.



Those AP leopards are REALLY funny to see go pop. Yet people keep APing through known systems where it happens. So please explain how the gankers are bot like in comparison to the AP pilot?

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#840 - 2014-10-11 22:24:03 UTC
Renegade Heart wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
The problem isn't pvp in highsec. The problem is bot-like gankers who gank empty shuttles and pods every 15 minutes for lolz....and face no meaningful punishment by the police.


You do understand that if I go afk for mere seconds in space a 1.0 system that I am punished by the police? Also, i fly about in space a lot. It's fun. I get people chasing me too. They use probes and stuff you know, but that just makes it all the more fun.

Perhaps you could try to hunt me down? I provide content for those that do!

Bot-like lol Roll

Now Veers, counter this with trolling all you like, but you are so wrong it's not even funny. And I ain't responding unless you make seriously good points.


Wandering around shooting shuttles isn't a challenge, it's just a broken game mechanic, namely lack of effective police punishment, that should be fixed. And I could care less if you respond or not. *shrug*