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Dev Blog: Long-Distance Travel Changes Inbound

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Josef Djugashvilis
#7981 - 2014-10-09 09:53:11 UTC
Polo Marco wrote:
mistyped


The thread in general, or a mistype by you?

This is not a signature.
Polo Marco
Four Winds
#7982 - 2014-10-09 09:55:28 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Polo Marco wrote:
mistyped


The thread in general, or a mistype by you?



Thread fatigue :D............. I'm waiting out my timer.....>_>

Eve teaches hard lessons. Don't blame the game for your own failures.
cogadh achur
#7983 - 2014-10-09 10:21:01 UTC
Jump fatigue,,,cool down timer...

Is this some sort of weird sex thread?
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#7984 - 2014-10-09 10:31:58 UTC
cogadh achur wrote:
Jump fatigue,,,cool down timer...

Is this some sort of weird sex thread?

Jealous that you missed the party?

...
Misha Hartmann
Tribal Mist
#7985 - 2014-10-09 10:59:49 UTC
I really wish CCP would give us an update on what is going on. Any further speculation at this stage are irrelevant. Would be nice to know what is going on.......
Kiwinoob
Perkone
Caldari State
#7986 - 2014-10-09 11:03:34 UTC
Misha Hartmann wrote:
I really wish CCP would give us an update on what is going on. Any further speculation at this stage are irrelevant. Would be nice to know what is going on.......


Should probably remind people that CCP bailed on this thread at page 200. It's just forum PvP now

Devs are nothing more than machines that turn coffee into code. The quality of the code is inversly proportional to the quality of the coffee.
Polo Marco
Four Winds
#7987 - 2014-10-09 11:03:47 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
cogadh achur wrote:
Jump fatigue,,,cool down timer...

Is this some sort of weird sex thread?

Jealous that you missed the party?



Was there a party? YAWWWWN I've been here too long............ need to let my thread fatigue timer cool down some more...

Eve teaches hard lessons. Don't blame the game for your own failures.
Elsa Hayes
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#7988 - 2014-10-09 11:05:51 UTC
Bl1SkR1N wrote:
All the posts from renters could be removed too...like ones where they say these changes will ruin the game :D



If they would remove the renter whining posts this thread would drop instantly from 400 to 40 pages and everyone would accuse CCP of communist censorship. Big smile
Polo Marco
Four Winds
#7989 - 2014-10-09 11:07:01 UTC
Kiwinoob wrote:
Misha Hartmann wrote:
I really wish CCP would give us an update on what is going on. Any further speculation at this stage are irrelevant. Would be nice to know what is going on.......


Should probably remind people that CCP bailed on this thread at page 200. It's just forum PvP now



not completely... folks that are on SISI are keepin us updated... It went up there with no range nerf and JF locked out....and they busted those posts yesterday when that idiot RQ'd and posted his account creds......:Pbet there was perma bans there .....

Eve teaches hard lessons. Don't blame the game for your own failures.
Misha Hartmann
Tribal Mist
#7990 - 2014-10-09 11:07:27 UTC
Just another point of interest to me; Most people agree that the patch is 'required/not a bad idea' on some level or another. Furthermore most people want to eve plunge into chaos, which is in many ways is great, more fights more fun. But as any nullsec pilot will know, evacing ones stuff is an issue. And if true chaos does return to Eve, and sov changes hands constantly, it will become difficult to evac with current proposed jump restrictions. (dont get me wrong, I am mostly for the jump nerfsss) but evaccing already sucked before, imagine how much it will suck now.....
Misha Hartmann
Tribal Mist
#7991 - 2014-10-09 11:08:50 UTC
Polo Marco wrote:
Kiwinoob wrote:
Misha Hartmann wrote:
I really wish CCP would give us an update on what is going on. Any further speculation at this stage are irrelevant. Would be nice to know what is going on.......


Should probably remind people that CCP bailed on this thread at page 200. It's just forum PvP now



not completely... folks that are on SISI are keepin us updated... It went up there with no range nerf and JF locked out....and they busted those posts yesterday when that idiot RQ'd and posted his account creds......:Pbet there was perma bans there .....


Haha, i saw that, soo funny. Cool, i was not aware of SISI divulging details. Will have a look. thanks
Celly S
Neutin Local LLC
#7992 - 2014-10-09 11:09:38 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Celly S wrote:
and I finally saw the stealth "remove local" post.... :(


Where?


in a post of one of the folks I voted for, a redheaded lady similar to yourself.

o/
Celly Smunt

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7993 - 2014-10-09 11:10:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Adrie Atticus
Misha Hartmann wrote:
I really wish CCP would give us an update on what is going on. Any further speculation at this stage are irrelevant. Would be nice to know what is going on.......


It's up to players to go and figure out which portion of the dev blog has been revised later on without actually jolting down the notes.
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7994 - 2014-10-09 11:11:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Adrie Atticus
Damn, posts getitng deleted really hampers the magnitude of this thread.

And breaks links to numbered posts in the mean time.
Kiwinoob
Perkone
Caldari State
#7995 - 2014-10-09 11:17:27 UTC
Misha Hartmann wrote:
Just another point of interest to me; Most people agree that the patch is 'required/not a bad idea' on some level or another. Furthermore most people want to eve plunge into chaos, which is in many ways is great, more fights more fun. But as any nullsec pilot will know, evacing ones stuff is an issue. And if true chaos does return to Eve, and sov changes hands constantly, it will become difficult to evac with current proposed jump restrictions. (dont get me wrong, I am mostly for the jump nerfsss) but evaccing already sucked before, imagine how much it will suck now.....


That's not a bad point. Not really sure where feedback should be aimed at the moment but when you get a chance make sure to push that point.

These changes are aimed at making it better for smaller corps and this plays right into that.

Nice to see some constructive thinking instead of rage quitting (even though the rage quitting is fun to laugh at)

Devs are nothing more than machines that turn coffee into code. The quality of the code is inversly proportional to the quality of the coffee.
Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
#7996 - 2014-10-09 11:17:33 UTC
Misha Hartmann wrote:
I really wish CCP would give us an update on what is going on. Any further speculation at this stage are
irrelevant. Would be nice to know what is going on.......


+1
Psyatt
#7997 - 2014-10-09 11:20:57 UTC
It seems that these ideas could use some tweaks, but overall it is more of a culture shock than a real issue.

CCP originally envisioned no more than a few dozen Titans in the game anyway, so it could be some hindbrain attempt to help that come to pass, but in reality it looks more like a heavy-handed, bit-too-much-at-once approach.


From what I have gathered, it looks like a sincere attempt to nullify the Batphone Syndrome. A supercap blob can be generated very quickly in almost any nulsec/losec space, from Alliances that have no dog in the fight or skin in the game in any territorial dispute. While metagaming is a reality, there is no reason that game mechanics cannot be introduced to reduce the effects.


It is harsh, and will obviously get tweaked as time goes by. How many changes have Motherships/Suppercarriers had. They went from meh to the win button and then back towards the middle.

Intercepting caps at gates is a good thing. More, smaller, fights over many systems instead of the uber blob on blob with TiDi at 10%. Planning and sacrificing one wing to get two wings through another gate comes to mind off the top of my head.

No more cruise and bruise. If a fleet has to scrap its way to a fight, then the CEOs will think a little longer on whether or not the trip is worth it for space they do not touch.

The JFs should get no nerf at all.

The cooldown timers should be adjusted to get rid of insane times. Good idea with draconian penalties at this time.

Many of the complaints I have seen have valid points. Many of the others make me think of spoiled rich kids.

The game changes. Change with it or move on. Lazy cap and supcap pilots that will quit if they cannot hotdrop a blob across New Eden in an hour or less will not be missed by anyone but CCP's earning statement.

The JF nerf is bad... did I mention that? The BLOPs nerf is bad as well, but BLOPs pilots must be used to getting the un-lubed portion of the stick by now.

If small corp logistics can be made to work, the rest of the intent is fine. Lots of smaller localized fights means less individual pilots trapped in TiDi hell during a superblobfest.
Celly S
Neutin Local LLC
#7998 - 2014-10-09 11:22:14 UTC
Rowells wrote:
You can still use the JF. It wont be easy as before nor as safe. but still completely possible.

Someone will say that it will be impossible for small groups to live in deep null. It will be extremely difficult to keep up the exact same style of play but there are always options. The most lucrative one being to move to somewhere better suited for your operations.

If you keep trying to do things the same way as you did before the patch you will be giving yourself a disadvantage.



"You can still use the JF. It wont be easy as before nor as safe. but still completely possible. "

This is true, however, the costs of a JF currently makes that type of risk unacceptable in most cases unless someone has iskies to simply throw away for S&Gs

"Someone will say that it will be impossible for small groups to live in deep null."

already been said repeatedly in this thread

"It will be extremely difficult to keep up the exact same style of play but there are always options. The most lucrative one being to move to somewhere better suited for your operations."

There is a very valid argument to be made that much of null is empty, that there should be more things to bring people to that type space as opposed to having some 70% of players living in high sec space (i forget the exact figure at this time) because it is already hard to survive out there as it is, and will be even more-so after this change is put into effect.

just saying
o/
Celly Smunt

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
#7999 - 2014-10-09 11:22:52 UTC
Kiwinoob wrote:
Misha Hartmann wrote:
Just another point of interest to me; Most people agree that the patch is 'required/not a bad idea' on some level or another. Furthermore most people want to eve plunge into chaos, which is in many ways is great, more fights more fun. But as any nullsec pilot will know, evacing ones stuff is an issue. And if true chaos does return to Eve, and sov changes hands constantly, it will become difficult to evac with current proposed jump restrictions. (dont get me wrong, I am mostly for the jump nerfsss) but evaccing already sucked before, imagine how much it will suck now.....


That's not a bad point. Not really sure where feedback should be aimed at the moment but when you get a chance make sure to push that point.

These changes are aimed at making it better for smaller corps and this plays right into that.

Nice to see some constructive thinking instead of rage quitting (even though the rage quitting is fun to laugh at)


Leaving JF range untouched would help with this.
Kiwinoob
Perkone
Caldari State
#8000 - 2014-10-09 11:25:52 UTC
Polo Marco wrote:
Kiwinoob wrote:
Misha Hartmann wrote:
I really wish CCP would give us an update on what is going on. Any further speculation at this stage are irrelevant. Would be nice to know what is going on.......


Should probably remind people that CCP bailed on this thread at page 200. It's just forum PvP now



not completely... folks that are on SISI are keepin us updated... It went up there with no range nerf and JF locked out....and they busted those posts yesterday when that idiot RQ'd and posted his account creds......:Pbet there was perma bans there .....



Sorry I was more referring to CCP Greyscale bugging out

CCP Greyscale wrote:
OK, I've read every post up to page 200, and we're getting to a point in this thread where there's not a lot of new concerns or suggestions being brought up. There will be future threads (and future blogs) as we tune details, but for now I want to thank you for all of your constructive input, and wish you a good weekend :)

Devs are nothing more than machines that turn coffee into code. The quality of the code is inversly proportional to the quality of the coffee.