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Best. Changes. Ever!

Nullsec tears = best tears.

You can expect your "feedback" to be treated exactly like the recent wormhole changes feedback. And by that, i mean completely ignored.

I for one applaud CCP for such aggressive out-of-the-box changes. The movement of massive fleets across the entire galaxy in moments has led to the blue donut we know and hate. This is more a throwback to the old days, when there wasn't an easy button to press that led to your cap fleet immediately smashing ontop of your enemies face. Nullsec Alliances might actually have to *shock* think about how to defend their space.

Nullsec has needed to be shaken up forever, but this, this is far more than i could have ever have dreamed. Time to get some popcorn, a tear bucket, and watch the chaos reign throughout new eden.

when this go's live it will NERF the entire game unless CCP provides another mechanic to allow players to relocate quickly in a "non-force projection" manner

this almost completely renders logistic pilots obsolete and closes an entire ISK making venture.

introducing a NPC InterBus Logistics Game Mechanic might be a solution but it will decrease player driven activities.

It will definitely affect new player's decision in NOT wanting to become a CAP pilot let alone a logistics pilot.

Game Mechanics should foster positive interactions that engage active "Game Play"

Game Mechanics should NOT foster negative interaction that result in "No Game Play"

Waiting a "Month" or "Days" for a timer to run out before you can continue playing is NOT a positive, interactive, engaging Game Mechanic

There seems to be an awful lot of "NOT" and "NO" in reference to this proposed game mechanic through out this thread

I really do hope CCP removes their "octal blinders" and look outside their "closed-box" and look at what the "players" are doing in the "sandbox" and step back and look at how this proposal affects other aspects of the game

CCP needs to look at how players coexist in a single system and how many simultaneous player activities can actually be supported in each system simultaneously under the current game mechanics

Currently a single system can not support an alliance let alone a corp. It takes many systems to support an active group of pilots because there isn't enough resources, rats, anomalies and activities for say ~200 active pilots to be engaged in simultaneously in a single system.

How many simultaneous pilots are ratting,scanning,crafting and mining in a High Sec System? I've never seen 500 simultaneous actively engaged in ratting in a single High Sec system.

CCP - You need to consider putting in place the Game Mechanics that make this work first - Adding a Nerf this significant without an alternative is a huge mistake

You may already have alternative Game Mechanics in mind or in the pipe line but if they don't exist when this Nerf happens bad things are going to happen

The impact on the global market is going to be interesting

How many pilots have already started stock piling null sec resources ? If you haven't already started you're probably already a bit late

Well cut him a little slack. For some people it's hard to distinguish "I can't do it the same way anymore" from "It can't be done".

there is no such thing as non-force projection. Pilots are the force. Having a capital in every nullsec station in the cluster is useless if you can't get someone there. Pilots being somewhere to do something is the force projection.

Are you out of your minds, or have you just forgotten that a game must be fun to be played?

christ ccp- this is the dumbest thing i've ever heard from you.

I guess if u don't use a JF Pilot u might not know that you are going to run implants that help you being a JF pilot let alone the specialized skills that were trained to be an efficient JF Pilot

most JF Pilots that i know don't get used for ratting, or mining.

how many corps actually have more than 1 Jump freighter let alone have 5 JF pilots in the same corp ? that's a boat load of skill training time and ISK in skills, ships and implants.

it's ok to dislike what i say, but at least know something about JF pilots before you comment.

i'd really hate for a JF pilot to lose a clone in the middle of Low Sec because he got bored waiting for his timer and went ratting to only find him/her self back in his home system with no way back to his/her JF but by slow boat....i guess that might be fun if your into that type of nausia

Your logic is flawed, starting with the first line.
You are also over simplifying and overlooking the options available to logistics.

Now I will grant you that the need for Null sec in particular to step up it's local industry will become more evident... and CCP will need to continue with improvements in that regard (which is a good thing). This alone opens up many non-obvious opportunities for short haul logistics, as well as increasing the value of regular freighters as opposed to jump freighters for certain tasks.

There are a lot of layers to this particular onion, you need to look a bit deeper than just the skin.

thanks Rowells, you seem to understand the irony in this nerf

it doesn't address the clone suicides

it doesn't address the clone jumps

it does keep a corp from or an individual from efficiently relocating from one location to another in a reasonable about of time

for example;

corp A is in Cloudring

corp A decides to relocate to Wicked Creek

instead of being able to move assets in a week or two - it'll take a month or more to relocate

that's the part i'm talking about - that's the part i'm concerned about

how does a pilot or corp relocate - not because they are projecting force in a hostile manner tonight - but because they want to live in WC instead of CR...but now they have to reconsider that decision because moving to that location is no longer efficient and will hinder play time - so now - if you are CR you'll need to relocate relatively close - in stages ? - a staged retreat i can understand - but a month or more to relocate just so u can live somewhere else ?

this is supposed to be fun - this is a game we play for enjoyment - this seems to address the issue with NULL sec blobs - but it doesn't really - it doesn't prevent "force projection" - it doesn't break up the super alliances - it doesn't break up control over NULL sec....

Given the amount of logistics pilots it currently takes to accomplish the logistics goals across EVE, these changes, which increase the amount of time and effort involved, should drive up the prices of a huge variety of items.


I'm implying that in order to sustain the current amount of hauling/logistics being done throughout EVE, there will need to be more logistics work done. I never said it HAD to be new pilots. It's just overwhelmingly likely that more people will join in for any of various reasons. Mostly monetary or pressures from corps/alliances/coalitions they are a part of.

It will drive prices up, and increase the value of the logistics work being done.


Why do you doubt this? You're glancing over supply and demand as if it's meaningless. lol
People are not going to do the work for no reason. If the gain isn't worth the effort, they will not do it. And prices will rise until people think it is worth the effort.



Or, you know.. you could just actually move your own cyno alts, or a combination of more people and moving cyno alts.

Regardless, it's not a matter of increasing people, it's still easily done, it simply takes longer to do.
I think the wait time is like 5-15 minutes or something in that area (someone correct me), in order to wait your fatigue after a jump to go back down to 1.0. After which you can jump again, and wait another 5-15 minutes.



Also, whoever said that the amount of logistics/manufacturing and the current prices throughout EVE are the ideal?
Are we just making the assumption the current prices of items are in the best state they ever could be?

CCP said they were going take a more active look at Black Ops in Rhea ( december ) since these changes hit them way too hard
other than that no because more tears here would be comparable to a biblical flood once the containers rupture