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100% of my replies do not define me as a Goon hater, CFC hater, PL hater, N3 hater or any other hater.

EVE Null was never meant to be played by large numbers of people, you adapted.
EVE Null was never fun, you stuck it out and made a legacy.

Nothing in these changes make it any more fun or any more group friendly.

I really do feel bad for you all, getting kicked in the face by CCP once again for doing what the rest of us were too lazy to do, too busy to do, too anything to do. Make that steaming pile of horse pucky work.

As mentioned several times throughout the thread, this change is actually giving us a "buff" in Deklein. Our space won't really change, it may even expand or simply take a new shape (ditching the furthest expanses of our space). The ability for capitals to take gates is laughable, meaning that we can form a defense fleet anywhere in our space to meet opposing hostile forces.

We understand the intent of this change- to nerf power projection - but the implementation of it as currently described is awful.

No one really cares about Deklein tbh. Keep it. It's your other regions spanning 95 LY and full of pos's, renters, and moons that might see some fun come the patch.

Exactly.

yes through our dogged efforts we will prevail

Especially the OP.

Only the tweaking of numbers... only the tweaking of numbers.

Well no there isn't but I try to do the logistics at a time when most of my corp is not online, so I can spend time with my corp doing fun stuff.
Would you,, as a fan of the "multiplayer" aspect, be prepared to get up at 3AM to light a cyno for me, then sit there for 2 hours until I am ready to return and light it again. With the up coming changes and fatigue, you could be sitting there for 4 or 5 hours, so think carefully before you say "yes I'll help with logistics" then leave the JF stranded.

I don't belong to a mega corp and as I said in a previous post if these changes force players to work only in large groups to achieve the simple and mundane things, like logistics it is time to just stop and find another way to use my spare time.

Bottom line is. Regardless of how "multi player" eve is, there are some things best done with a minimum of fuss and players.

As you get older, you learn the simple answer (asking for help) is not always the right one.
In this case with the upcoming changes, asking for help would mean added risk to the JF and way less time for us to PVP.

CCP's goal here is to create content in Nulsec but with these nerfs to getting the necessary things such as logistics done, all it is going to do is slow everything down and in the end reduce/remove the ability of smaller nulsec corps and alliances to participate in Nulsec.

It is.

Is the objective to mitigate the ability to seed a staging system with a thousand battleships overnight? Yes. That certainly ties in well with the overall force projection nerf of the changes.

Is the objective to make it harder and more expensive for a small group in deep null to get a few cheap cruisers imported? Probably not. The objective here is to increase small scale pvp. We want them to have easy and cheap access to stuff to welp. The changes are very counter-productive here.

Is the objective to make life hell for people who hold a large number of towers? Maybe. But those that do will find ways to deal with it and those who don't may have less incentive to deal with the headache.


How do we stop mass importing of a combat fleet without hurting industry or "the little guy"? What if we give the Jump Freighter the Iteron treatment? Instead of reducing the maximum jump range, reduce the base cargo hold on it. Then give it a second bay that can hold industry related items or even modules, just not ship hulls, to keep overall capacity the same. Increase total trips instead of midpoints. Note this will cause more fuel use and Fatigue. It would also allow painfully slow seeding of subcap fleets at larger ranges with increased safety, which is a downside. T2/T3 cruisers can already be seeded similarly with blops, so it only really adds limited battleship capacity.

Rushed bulk hull importing would be better done by bridging freighters in such a case, conserving Carrier pilot fatigue. Which would require Titan midpoints and staging towers. Securing supply lines, creating potential opportunities. At least a lot more than a cyno alt on station.

The alternative answer for the little guy is to recruit industrialists and build their own stuff as they go. But this would further tie in with the above suggestion, requiring them to import and export mostly things that go in the secondary bay. The force projection crowd wants a fitted ship there, now, in the hundreds.