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making the mass changes look.. minuscule

Summary:

Hot dropping cruisers on the other side of the universe - nerfed

Eve Online, as a game - buffed

I never even considered this until 10 seconds ago, Caps can now enter null and low sec incursion zones ( not complexes ) which means by extension any groups running the incursions who get caught by a roaming group or a planned attack may now face a capital supported fleet logoffski'd in the station or holding just a jump or two out that gets them before they take a gate into the site. Normally those groups win the fights because they bring so much logi but this could change that for the better or worse and allow players to transport multiple ships into system via carriers. making assembling much less difficult.

This might even bring more groups to do low sec incursions or null sec because they can now deploy triage when its needed ( if its needed ) outside of the sites. very very interesting times ahead for sure

What we still need in this patch is to nerf remote aid capabilities of carriers without triage , while boosting it in triage.
So no new slowcat / boot fleet stays at it is.
100 repping itself carriers give us almost 60000 repair amount .

For example :
2 capital remote repairs on each carrier , each have 5 second cycle ( something that is not to big issue as carrier will have multi million ehp) repairing 1,500 hp per cycle.

So assuming 99 carriers repairing 1 currently attacked we have:
99 * 2 & 1500 /5=59400 armor points per second.

Now just assuming ( wrong assumption as resistances are usually higher ) that you are shooting in a hole in resistances that have just 50% resistance then in order just to brake this tank you need :

59400*2 =118.800 dps/s

This is still nonsense.

yeah, no.

Marauders are awesome right now. Marauders are also cheaper, and far more nimble than dreads. If people don't roam in fleets of marauders, they certainly won't roam in fleets of dreads.

Also, out of siege dreads do *maybe* a bit more damage than a faction battleship, and even then not by much. You'll see carrier roams - because they can actually apply their dps with the smaller drones and sentries, and without being stationary for 5 minutes at a time, but dreads? Nah.

Nah, I'll confess to ignoring the fact that Logistics is a very flexible term in Eve

1) Logis, the repair ships that do go into battle
2) Logistics, the ships that move goods and building materials too and fro outside the theatre of war (hopefully)
3) Logistic supply of a battle which is usually replacements and ammo

My question is do we start special casing everything until we are down to each ship having a different fatigue, range, shock, and modules/drugs/skills that will affect it even more?

As has been brought up, I do not envy a jumping FC trying to find out if everybody can go at the same time or did somebody go on a roam earlier and will now either be cut from the fleet or slow everybody else down. Worse if all of the ships and pilots are on different schedules and cases.

YES I think there will need to be something in the fleet window that shows at least some of this.

Yes, I am leaning towards JF's (and just JF's) getting a bit of a range boost

Yes I am still trying to keep up with this thread and considering what is said. I do yield to temptation at times and make a joke (like chuckwagons) but I am treating this seriously for the most part because this is, arguably, one of the greatest sea changes Eve has ever had. I know some have thought this further than others but I doubt that anybody has foreseen all the possible ramifications.

I am glad that the 'I quit' and the 'haz yer stuff' has died down and now there are people who have had time to think, have done so and are making better arguments. In that regard this is the opposite of most threadnaughts as the circle runners are quieting and the adults are staying up and discussing, rationally.

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though I will admit I was hoping ONE or two people quitting would have given me something, after all I did ask first in this thread.

That's really funny.. You don't have cyno alts do you..
If you did you would not need to be told how stupid the idea of moving cyno alts multiple times for a chain is.
1 Jump for a JF from cyno to cyno at 4LY can be 12 jumps apart via gates.

My logistics route is currently 3 cynos - moving cyno 1 to position 2 is 16 jumps, from position 2 to 3 is 12 jumps.
4LY nerf sees that same route now needing 10 jumps - with between 8 and 14 jumps between cynos. With my current cyno alts that is just over 100 jumps with 3 toons per trip. Even if each cyno used a jump clone it is still 60 odd jumps. I don't have 14 hours a day to spend moving cynos around to get a jump freighter to travel what is now a less than 10 min trip.
On average I lose 4 or 5 cyno ships a week, without taking them through gates. Having to move multiple cynos multiple times to complete one trip will surely see that number rise further increasing the time needed to complete 1 leg of a trip.

And of course, those who do logistics to help out their corp or alliance really don't want to participate in any other part of the game. So should dedicate all their online time to moving a jump freighter from point A to point B.

I don't make a profit with my JF, my corp pays for the fuel and I supply the cynos and JF to help keep us able to do PVP. If all my online time is going to be taken up with doing logistics, I'll simply sell the JF.
Having limited time per day to "play eve", I won't spend it all doing mundane boring logistics.

Your d-elusions of hand over fist isk machine must be fed by nulblok propaganda trying to recruit you. Reality is many of us don't spend day after day running anoms because we play eve to pvp and run just enough anoms to buy the ships we use.

Would it be so hard to ask someone else to light a cyno with his ship every now and again? Is there something in EULA prohibiting logistic chains from being managed by more than one person? I might be wrong here, but doesn't "multi" in multiplayer stand for multiple players?

CCP already said they will boost 0.0 production so there is less need of logistics of that type. YEs for a month or 2 there will be extra work. But is not as this is the end of the game and ccp dont have already a plan for it.

Actually they want that you train more jump freighter alts, so you can swap your jump freigter to another alt middle of the way.

edit: same goes with other caps, now you need more holder alts who jump your ships around for later use