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pushing for harder punishment on hi sec gankers

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Cetaphil Thrace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#801 - 2014-10-06 22:49:35 UTC
Why are so many people getting upset with this guy? And why is everyone trying to put a label on the game?
Some people say it is pvp some say pve, it is neither it can be whatever you want it to be. I mean why does there have to be a label on the game? Everyone can play it anyway they want. PI, PVE, PVP Relic sites, etc. There is no label it is just called EVE.

Just like any other MMO, there is PVP and then there is not. The concept is the same.
Paranoid Loyd
#802 - 2014-10-06 22:50:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Cetaphil Thrace wrote:
The concept is the same.


No it's not. Get the carebear!

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

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Cetaphil Thrace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#803 - 2014-10-06 22:59:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Cetaphil Thrace
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Cetaphil Thrace wrote:
The concept is the same.


No it's not. Get the carebear!



What? That did not make any sense. The game is not called EVE PVP, it is just called EVE last i checked.
I do not care how people play the game and certainly never try to tell people how they should play it, and neither should anyone else.
Paranoid Loyd
#804 - 2014-10-06 23:07:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
What didn't make sense? You said it is the same as any other MMO, you are misinformed, it is not.
Can I just go up to anyone I want in WOW in any location and kill them then take their stuff whether they have consented to said PVP or not?

Everyone is welcome to PVE all they want, the thing you have to remember is that PVP can and will find you eventually, the solution is to learn what you did wrong and how to protect yourself better, not to cry on the forums about how unbalanced the game is. The game is extremely balanced if you take a few simple steps to properly protect yourself. It only seems unbalanced if you are grossly ignorant and/or complacent.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#805 - 2014-10-06 23:20:37 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Get the carebear!

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Syeed Ameer Ali
Drunken Beaver Mining
#806 - 2014-10-07 00:04:08 UTC
Cetaphil Thrace wrote:
The game is not called EVE PVP, it is just called EVE last i checked.


You are aware that EVE stands for "Everyone Versus Everyone", right? Sounds like PvP to me.

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#807 - 2014-10-07 01:40:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Veers Belvar
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
What didn't make sense? You said it is the same as any other MMO, you are misinformed, it is not.
Can I just go up to anyone I want in WOW in any location and kill them then take their stuff whether they have consented to said PVP or not?

Everyone is welcome to PVE all they want, the thing you have to remember is that PVP can and will find you eventually, the solution is to learn what you did wrong and how to protect yourself better, not to cry on the forums about how unbalanced the game is. The game is extremely balanced if you take a few simple steps to properly protect yourself. It only seems unbalanced if you are grossly ignorant and/or complacent.


If you do it right the PvP never finds. you. The chances of actually being ganked as a mission runner are well nigh 0.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#808 - 2014-10-07 01:49:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Veers Belvar
Steppa Musana wrote:
Veers doesn't think he's an elite PvPer. He's trolling you guys by using the same rhetoric James 315 does in his blog. He's probably laughing his ass off each time one of you responds to it. P


No idea where you got this crazy idea. Please refrain from further outlandish speculation unless you have conclusive evidence to the contrary. Thanks.

Any reasonable analysis of my killboard demonstrates elite status. It's a social game - I like to roam with others, solo pvp is wildly overrated.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#809 - 2014-10-07 03:53:35 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
outlandish speculation


A subject on which you're an expert. Lol

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Mag's
Azn Empire
#810 - 2014-10-07 21:11:55 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Please refrain from further outlandish speculation unless you have conclusive evidence to the contrary. Thanks.
Please follow your own advice.
Thanks.

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Saeger1737
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#811 - 2014-10-07 21:53:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Saeger1737
Instead of a harder punishment, increase the challenge. Protect the sandbox don't diminish it.

Simple ideas to make everyone have fun:
1. Add at 15 second aggression timer to thieving folks, 15 minute safe log off timer.

This making gankers and loot whores alike to actually fit tank and form an escape plan more then just dock.

2. Increase GCC time from 15 to 20 minutes. This cutting back on ganks per hour.

Make the game fun for all not nerfed and boring.

MERC WITH A MOUTH, Send me DPS and my fleet will double it back! Special offer!
Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
#812 - 2014-10-07 21:59:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Dirk Magnum
Saeger1737 wrote:
Instead of a harder punishment, increase the challenge. Protect the sandbox don't diminish it.

Simple ideas to make everyone have fun:
1. Add at 15 second aggression timer to thieving folks, 15 minute safe log off timer.

This making gankers and loot whores alike to actually fit tank and form an escape plan more then just dock.

2. Increase GCC time from 15 to 20 minutes. This cutting back on ganks per hour.

Make the game fun for all not nerfed and boring.


That is a nerf, and does make the game boring for ganker and ganked alike. It also continues the slippery slope towards the total safety of highsec and the MMO-market irrelevance of Eve and it's "sandbox". There needs to be an absolute moratorium on ALL buffs to security in highsec. It's been buffed at least as much as it needs already.

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#813 - 2014-10-07 21:59:53 UTC
Saeger1737 wrote:
2. Increase GCC time from 15 to 20 minutes. This cutting back on ganks per hour.


Why on earth would you want to further reduce highsec destruction when it's already ridiculously low?

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Saeger1737
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#814 - 2014-10-07 22:23:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Saeger1737
Dirk Magnum wrote:
Saeger1737 wrote:
Instead of a harder punishment, increase the challenge. Protect the sandbox don't diminish it.

Simple ideas to make everyone have fun:
1. Add at 15 second aggression timer to thieving folks, 15 minute safe log off timer.

This making gankers and loot whores alike to actually fit tank and form an escape plan more then just dock.

2. Increase GCC time from 15 to 20 minutes. This cutting back on ganks per hour.

Make the game fun for all not nerfed and boring.


That is a nerf, and does make the game boring for ganker and ganked alike. It also continues the slippery slope towards the total safety of highsec and the MMO-market irrelevance of Eve and it's "sandbox". There needs to be an absolute moratorium on ALL buffs to security in highsec. It's been buffed at least as much as it needs already.


Its a Nerf to risk adverse ganking, and introduces a challenge aspect other then undock shoot, concord, warp safe, dock up, reship.

Create content, stop being a mindless noob.

MERC WITH A MOUTH, Send me DPS and my fleet will double it back! Special offer!
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#815 - 2014-10-07 23:10:13 UTC
I have never been able to figure out why people think adding more restrictions to player behavior could ever result in "more content".

Assuming such a sentiment is genuine, in any case.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#816 - 2014-10-07 23:51:39 UTC
Saeger1737 wrote:


Its a Nerf to risk adverse ganking, and introduces a challenge aspect other then undock shoot, concord, warp safe, dock up, reship.

Create content, stop being a mindless noob.



Oh dear!
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#817 - 2014-10-07 23:55:22 UTC
Saeger1737 wrote:
Dirk Magnum wrote:
Saeger1737 wrote:
Instead of a harder punishment, increase the challenge. Protect the sandbox don't diminish it.

Simple ideas to make everyone have fun:
1. Add at 15 second aggression timer to thieving folks, 15 minute safe log off timer.

This making gankers and loot whores alike to actually fit tank and form an escape plan more then just dock.

2. Increase GCC time from 15 to 20 minutes. This cutting back on ganks per hour.

Make the game fun for all not nerfed and boring.


That is a nerf, and does make the game boring for ganker and ganked alike. It also continues the slippery slope towards the total safety of highsec and the MMO-market irrelevance of Eve and it's "sandbox". There needs to be an absolute moratorium on ALL buffs to security in highsec. It's been buffed at least as much as it needs already.


Its a Nerf to risk adverse ganking, and introduces a challenge aspect other then undock shoot, concord, warp safe, dock up, reship.

Create content, stop being a mindless noob.


A mechanically enforced challenge as opposed to a player created challenge. I have faith in the human ability to learn from previous mistakes & adapt to new situations. This is how humanity has progressed over that last few hundreds of thousands of years. With this knowledge in tow I am unfortunately forced to believe that you people are just being willfully stupid out of pure laziness.

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Arcano Dentist
Wiyrkomi Heavy Industries
Caldari Alliance
#818 - 2014-10-08 19:06:23 UTC
Froggy Storm wrote:
If we were to drink the koolaid here and agree. Then for the sake of balance, once you've passed the 3 month date then everyone must leave hisec.

The fact that the majority of players are in hisec is reflective of it being too easy to eek out a living there. So as a result the gankers move to where the herds are.

Push the fish out of the barrel and people won't have to come there to shoot them. And as a side effect you get stronger bigger fish and better fishermen to catch them.



Not everyone wants to PVP. That is why they stay in high sec. If you forced people out then a lot of new players wouldn't stick around very long. People shouldn't be so desperate to shoot kittens. There are plenty of bodies in low/null to keep you busy.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#819 - 2014-10-08 19:11:01 UTC
Arcano Dentist wrote:

Not everyone wants to PVP. That is why they stay in high sec.


Why are they playing EVE in the first place, then? This has been stated unequivocally by the developers as being a PvP game.

Why not just go play Star Trek Online? Seeing as that's pretty much what you people say that you want.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#820 - 2014-10-08 19:28:27 UTC
Arcano Dentist wrote:
Froggy Storm wrote:
If we were to drink the koolaid here and agree. Then for the sake of balance, once you've passed the 3 month date then everyone must leave hisec.

The fact that the majority of players are in hisec is reflective of it being too easy to eek out a living there. So as a result the gankers move to where the herds are.

Push the fish out of the barrel and people won't have to come there to shoot them. And as a side effect you get stronger bigger fish and better fishermen to catch them.



Not everyone wants to PVP. That is why they stay in high sec. If you forced people out then a lot of new players wouldn't stick around very long. People shouldn't be so desperate to shoot kittens. There are plenty of bodies in low/null to keep you busy.



When will people actually realise, this game is PvP. Wether you want it or not. By logging in and undocking you expose yourself to all types of splotions, Anyone that does not understand this concept, is playing the wrong game.

To use low / null as an excuse to remove PvP from Hi sec is a damn silly argument too. Each type of Space has it's own style of PvP, and rewards. Everyone has their preference of PvP styles. Its a bit like telling someone who prefers to watch Football to go and watch Rugby instead.