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You guys really make me laugh..

CFC have proved time and time again that they can quite easily win engagements without the use of Capital Ships.

Hell only yesterday they obliterated a nulli BS Fleet worth 36bil using bombers.

I really can not wait until a few weeks after this patch to see all the people laughing now saying this will really hurt the likes of CFC / NC / PL only to realise it has just made things worse.

You are so sweet

If the goonies etc adapt well, then good for them.

It does not mean that they are happy with the proposed changes - why else the constant refrain of: I'm going to quit with my zillions of accounts in this thread?

As a very long term Titan pilot, and as someone who owns both a super and a Titan, I am absolutely thrilled by these changes. I believe they will revitalise the game and provide a colossal amount of content. People are simply being too short sighted and hostile to change.

Keep it up, Matt

It seems this thread has slowed down by quite a bit. No matters, I suppose, since it's already the largest thread ever created within EVE.

Granted, I don't think it's the most amount of posts on a specific topic. I'm pretty sure the umpteen-million "nerf cloaking" threads take that by a rather large margin.

Just wait until after this release.. then you will get many threads with tears and people like me, Jenn and Lucas saying we told you so

Yeah it's not just in game either: Relevant

Yeah it's called *you* reading the thread - Chribba has better things to do than help you be illiterate.

Whats making me laugh is you trying to gloss over the fact you did have a cap fleet at that engagement, in case your memory is flawed it was sitting right on the other side of the gate the abbadons tried to jump through. Your bombers were so succesful because the server shat itself and wouldnt let the abbadons jump, not because you didnt bring a cap fleet.

Proposed idea to address this:

Static JF numbers set by CCP.
1. Each ship gets a JF attribute that is used when calculating a jump. Frigs very little and caps a large amount. This also allows CCP to adjust as needed for specific ships without affecting every player in Eve.

2. Each system gets a JF attribute based on sec and region, etc. This allows CCP to make some areas easier to get to or harder to get to. And they can even build an almost impossible wall (a mountain) anywhere they want. This attaches the JF more to the map not the character.

3. Each system gets a JF attribute based on leaving or entering the system. This means that what direction you are jumping will make a difference. This allows CCP to make easy paths or very hard paths in space. There can be fast lanes or slow lanes or lumpy lanes.



Fluid JF numbers set by players.

1. A system that is set as Home system by corp/alliance has a large JF add on.
This means jumping caps into that system will be very difficult. Subcaps would still be able to jump in if they have been careful about JF. So subcaps jump in and clear a way for the caps to come through the gate.

2. JF is connected to a players distance from his corp/alliance home system. This allows defenders to jump a little more than attackers.
Those traveling across the map to attack will get hit harder and harder the farther they go. At some point along the way they will need to start using gates instead.
This will affect large ships more, so sub caps could move faster and lead the way or clear the way for the caps.

3. Each system has a JF based on how much it has been upgraded. In other words an active system that has been built up by players will be harder to attack with caps.

4. Each system has a JF based on how many players are currently in the system. This means that large fights will be harder to get to, and will require gate jumping. This allows each side to break the reinforcement chain of the enemy when fighting.

5. Mobile JF projector. A unit that can add to the JF effect of a system. Only deployable in non-player sov or no sov system? This can be used to help break reinforcement chains or to set traps for haulers etc.

This may seem like a complex system, but should be no different than starting with a base ship and adding mods to it to change the attribute numbers. The static numbers are the base and then the fluid numbers are added to get a final calculation of JF.

This is "Spreadsheets in Space" is it not?

The numbers can be rounded off to tenths and the fluid numbers can be updated every 5 minutes to cut down on the server load.

I just think that something more complex is needed for a more than simple issue. I am sure someone will think of a way to game this system, but with it being granulated, adjustments can be made without messing up every player in the game.


OTHER CONSIDERATIONS

To simplify the calculations, don't have a jump timer, just have a JF pool for the characters and a decay rate. When you reach 100% you can't jump until it has decayed to a certain point.

Have the hardcap at three days, so if you are at 100% it will take three days to get back to 0 %. This will also allow for adding a skill to increase the decay rate of JF. At level 5 you will be able to get to 0% in one day.

Also this will allow for a skill to be added so that characters can increase the amount of their JF pool. 50% more at lvl 5.

are there any plans to reimburse JDC V?

I trained that skill mainly for logistic reasons, but with the changes, it will be worthless to me. I'd like to have that month of training back.