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pushing for harder punishment on hi sec gankers

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Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#741 - 2014-10-05 22:17:34 UTC
OK HOLD THE PHONE
Did veers just say, "Nobody in Null Sec Trying to Kill you for miles?"

im going to finish typing this once i manage to re-hinge my jaw

Does the word 'Providence' ring a bell to you?
(No not the freighter either!)
Or how about Curse
(Again not the ship!)
oh oh oh or even Fountain, you know where the big war happened, and people get hotdropped daily?

good god i hope veers is trolling, or else im going to need to apply a double dose of carebear repellent and im already running low as is Shocked

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Iain Cariaba
#742 - 2014-10-05 22:38:37 UTC
Christopher Mabata wrote:
OK HOLD THE PHONE
Did veers just say, "Nobody in Null Sec Trying to Kill you for miles?"

im going to finish typing this once i manage to re-hinge my jaw

Does the word 'Providence' ring a bell to you?
(No not the freighter either!)
Or how about Curse
(Again not the ship!)
oh oh oh or even Fountain, you know where the big war happened, and people get hotdropped daily?

good god i hope veers is trolling, or else im going to need to apply a double dose of carebear repellent and im already running low as is Shocked

Unfortunately, Veers is so entrenched in his delusions that he honestly believes he's at risk running incursions while being protected by omnipotent, uber powered NPCs, and those of us who live in nullsec never have to deal with the fact that literally everyone not blue is in fact out to get you. He thinks that because we in null plan for every contingency we can think of, then every contingency our corpies can think of, then the alliance, etc, that we live a life free of risk.

His life must be so tough shooting the same red crosses in the same order at the same time, day after day. That'd drive me batty too.
Lady Areola Fappington
#743 - 2014-10-06 01:26:24 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:

Unfortunately, Veers is so entrenched in his delusions that he honestly believes he's at risk running incursions while being protected by omnipotent, uber powered NPCs, and those of us who live in nullsec never have to deal with the fact that literally everyone not blue is in fact out to get you. He thinks that because we in null plan for every contingency we can think of, then every contingency our corpies can think of, then the alliance, etc, that we live a life free of risk.

His life must be so tough shooting the same red crosses in the same order at the same time, day after day. That'd drive me batty too.



Man, everyone knows that working in a Biosafety Level 4 (think Ebola, Lassa fever) is way more safe than standing around on the street in the middle of Nowhere, Midwest. People in a BL4 lab are wearing spacesuits with independent filtered air supplies, but they guy out in Nowhere is just surrounded by germs!

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#744 - 2014-10-06 02:57:25 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:

Unfortunately, Veers is so entrenched in his delusions that he honestly believes he's at risk running incursions while being protected by omnipotent, uber powered NPCs, and those of us who live in nullsec never have to deal with the fact that literally everyone not blue is in fact out to get you. He thinks that because we in null plan for every contingency we can think of, then every contingency our corpies can think of, then the alliance, etc, that we live a life free of risk.

His life must be so tough shooting the same red crosses in the same order at the same time, day after day. That'd drive me batty too.



Man, everyone knows that working in a Biosafety Level 4 (think Ebola, Lassa fever) is way more safe than standing around on the street in the middle of Nowhere, Midwest. People in a BL4 lab are wearing spacesuits with independent filtered air supplies, but they guy out in Nowhere is just surrounded by germs!


Nevermind that anyone who has actually experienced one of those things would rather work in a nuclear reactor than in one of them...

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Trixie Lawless
State War Academy
Caldari State
#745 - 2014-10-06 04:48:04 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
If risk/reward is our metric then blue donut nullsec should be a heck of a lot less profitable than highsec.


Except us non-elite types have to contend with nullsec having absolutely no mechanics that deter people from shooting us. This is called "more risk than highsec". When you have an omnipotent reaction force that deals with any kind of offensive action by bad people (and can't be tanked, killed or evaded in any way) that's called "much less risk than anywhere else in the game".

I've lost my elite to mere mortal dictionary so I apologise if I've not communicated the above clearly enough for you, Grand Beers Veldspar, elite interwebs spaceship pilot.


Yes, except that in the blue donut there is no one for miles around actually trying to kill you! So yes the mechanics provide for unlimited risk, but how risky is the result if there are 0 hostiles utilizing them? Keep trying, buddy.


What? Seriously.... What? Have you ever lived in nullsec? Sure there are empty systems, but in no way is high sec more dangerous than null sec. Let's see...

How often do you have tactical points around gates you normally use in high sec?

How often do you have to check Intel in high sec?

How many times have you gone through a gate and found yourself in a bubble of doom in high sec?

How many times have you gone through a gate and a stealth bomber drop a bomb on you in high sec?

...and the questions can go on and on.

High sec, even with CODE and other gankers running around, is so safe that you can travel afk and survive 99.99% of the time. Get real man.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#746 - 2014-10-06 09:40:35 UTC
Trixie Lawless wrote:


What? Seriously.... What? Have you ever lived in nullsec? Sure there are empty systems, but in no way is high sec more dangerous than null sec. Let's see...

How often do you have tactical points around gates you normally use in high sec?

How often do you have to check Intel in high sec?

How many times have you gone through a gate and found yourself in a bubble of doom in high sec?

How many times have you gone through a gate and a stealth bomber drop a bomb on you in high sec?

...and the questions can go on and on.

High sec, even with CODE and other gankers running around, is so safe that you can travel afk and survive 99.99% of the time. Get real man.


Just quickly because I am on an extended vacation and unable to respond to all the fanmail.

Blue donut nullsec is MUCH safer than highsec, You have a massive number of blues, intel channels, defense fleets, etc.... And no one is coming to bother you anyway. In fact, that is the #1 complain with nullsec - that it is just so agonizingly boring because everyone is set to blue.

And yed, you do need to check intel in highsec - see Uedama and Niarja. Bubbles are irrelevent in your own sov - who the heck is bubbling you? And who is bombing you deep in sovereign nullsec? Where do you come up with these things?

Here is a fact - I haven't autopiloted for months....I decide to give it a shot in an empty shuttle with an empty pod. Literally within 3 months a Codebro ganks my shuttle and tries to pod me. How often does that happen deep in sov null?

And in null you know that anyone not blue is out for you, so you can shoot them first. Don't try that in highsec or CONCORD might have words with you. Plus the population density, and hence the ganker density, is vastly higher in highsec.

Is Provie more dangerous than highsec? Sure. Is Deklain or renter space to the East? Heck no. Would so many people AFK Carrier rat in dangerous space? Give me a break.

Go look at the killboard for Uedama the last few days, and find me even 1 place in null with that much sheer carnage.
Lady Areola Fappington
#747 - 2014-10-06 10:53:31 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Man, everyone knows that working in a Biosafety Level 4 (think Ebola, Lassa fever) is way more safe than standing around on the street in the middle of Nowhere, Midwest. People in a BL4 lab are wearing spacesuits with independent filtered air supplies, but they guy out in Nowhere is just surrounded by germs!


Nevermind that anyone who has actually experienced one of those things would rather work in a nuclear reactor than in one of them...[/quote]


I got to field-trip a BLS 4 lab one time. Wasn't even active, didn't have any nasty bugs in it or anything. I'd much rather work inside a nuclear reactor, yeah.


7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#748 - 2014-10-06 11:51:36 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:

Here is a fact - I haven't autopiloted for months....I decide to give it a shot in an empty shuttle with an empty pod. Literally within 3 months a Codebro ganks my shuttle and tries to pod me.


Ah, here is the clincher, guys.

He got popped once in a three month period for autopiloting, and that means highsec is less safe than nullsec.

Bravo.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#749 - 2014-10-06 12:17:16 UTC
just a note : if i saw you auto piloting in anything veers, id be shouting at the whole God dame alliance enthusiasticly encouraging my corp mates in the area to get their gank ships together,
just to get as many of us on the mail as possible.

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#750 - 2014-10-06 12:31:19 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:

Here is a fact - I haven't autopiloted for months....I decide to give it a shot in an empty shuttle with an empty pod. Literally within 3 months a Codebro ganks my shuttle and tries to pod me.


Ah, here is the clincher, guys.

He got popped once in a three month period for autopiloting, and that means highsec is less safe than nullsec.

Bravo.


Fail. In 3 months I autopiloted 0 times. I decided to try it....and promptly got ganked. Not a targetted gank, just a guy shooting autopiloting shuttles.

If ganking were really so rare, what is the probability that in the ONE TIME IN 3 MONTHS i try autopiloting, I promptly get ganked?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#751 - 2014-10-06 12:37:59 UTC
so that means outopiloting in null is risk free then?

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#752 - 2014-10-06 12:44:31 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
so that means outopiloting in null is risk free then?


In certain parts yes.....Take for example a system where over a week there is not a single red that enters. Autopiloting during that week would be effectively risk free. This is not true in highsec, where the neutrals can suicide gank you. Now of course the blues in null could intentionally kill you, but that is exceedingly rare, much rarer than suicide ganking in highsec.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#753 - 2014-10-06 13:16:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Veers Belvar wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:

Here is a fact - I haven't autopiloted for months....I decide to give it a shot in an empty shuttle with an empty pod. Literally within 3 months a Codebro ganks my shuttle and tries to pod me.


Ah, here is the clincher, guys.

He got popped once in a three month period for autopiloting, and that means highsec is less safe than nullsec.

Bravo.


Fail. In 3 months I autopiloted 0 times. I decided to try it....and promptly got ganked. Not a targetted gank, just a guy shooting autopiloting shuttles.

If ganking were really so rare, what is the probability that in the ONE TIME IN 3 MONTHS i try autopiloting, I promptly get ganked?
Given your constant shitposting and outstanding ignorance of anything relating to game mechanics outside of Incursions I would hazard a guess that it was indeed a targeted gank. There is nothing random about people shooting you given the size of the target you've painted on your own back.

BTW your open letter to Mittens* is hilarious, full of hubris and generally nonsensical. Props are also due to Gorila Vengaza for the comment on MB about you shooting your mouth and little else.

*In case the pastebin link breaks the rules, for those that are interested and fancy a giggle Veers' letter is publicly viewable at Minerbumping.com

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#754 - 2014-10-06 13:21:04 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:


Fail. In 3 months I autopiloted 0 times. I decided to try it....and promptly got ganked. Not a targetted gank, just a guy shooting autopiloting shuttles.

Given your constant shitposting and outstanding ignorance of anything relating to game mechanics outside of Incursions I would hazard a guess that it was indeed a targeted gank. There is nothing random about people shooting you given the size of the target you painted on your own back.


You didn't make even the base effort to look it up on Zkill did you? If you had, you would have noticed that the guy sits in the system all day ganking shuttles, etc...

But please do continue to spout your wildly inaccurate and false opinions because you can't be bothered to do 3 minutes of research before sharing your conclusive "facts" with the world.

Given this little debacle, I'm not exactly concerned about your other opinions.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#755 - 2014-10-06 13:21:46 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
great stuff
i got to this line and then lost it,
Quote:
Unfortunately, recent events have forced my hand, and I do feel earnestly compelled to air my concerns with you

Big smile
that's the funniest thing i have read in days.

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Trixie Lawless
State War Academy
Caldari State
#756 - 2014-10-06 13:36:31 UTC
Veers you have no clue what you are talking about. Null is not safe...at all...ever, especially in Catch where I live. Yeah we have hose Intel channels because it ISN'T safe you dingleberry. CODE camping two systems with catalysts does not make hi sec more dangerous than null.

You are delusional and full of it. Have you ever even lived in null? I'm guessing not. I'm guessing you went on a roam. Couple of times in a super deserted area and thought you were badass because of it. If null is so safe, how about you come hang out with us down in Catch around the EX6-AO area.

We would live your company!
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#757 - 2014-10-06 13:38:28 UTC
Trixie Lawless wrote:
Veers you have no clue what you are talking about. Null is not safe...at all...ever, especially in Catch where I live. Yeah we have hose Intel channels because it ISN'T safe you dingleberry. CODE camping two systems with catalysts does not make hi sec more dangerous than null.

You are delusional and full of it. Have you ever even lived in null? I'm guessing not. I'm guessing you went on a roam. Couple of times in a super deserted area and thought you were badass because of it. If null is so safe, how about you come hang out with us down in Catch around the EX6-AO area.

We would live your company!


Why choose Catch as an example? Why not Deklain? And even better, why not the deserted renter areas in the East where the highsec miners go because CODE kills them too much in highsec? How dangerous is AFK Carrier and Ishtar ratting farmville?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#758 - 2014-10-06 13:39:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Veers Belvar wrote:
You didn't make even the base effort to look it up on Zkill did you? If you had, you would have noticed that the guy sits in the system all day ganking shuttles, etc...
You're right I didn't, what of it? Given the size of the target you've painted on your own back the probability is fairly high that somebody will gank you sooner or later, simply for being you.

Quote:
But please do continue to spout your wildly inaccurate and false opinions because you can't be bothered to do 3 minutes of research before sharing your conclusive "facts" with the world.
Firstly by its very nature an opinion can't be false or inaccurate.

opinion (in context of the post you're nitpicking)
(noun)
a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

Secondly I never stated it to be a fact, I hazarded a guess, which by its very nature is not a fact.

guess (in context of the post you're nitpicking)
(verb)
an opinion that one reaches or to which one commits oneself on the basis of probability alone or in the absence of any evidence whatever.

L2English.

Quote:
Given this little debacle, I'm not exactly concerned about your other opinions.
Should I be bothered that you find my opinion irrelevant? You're certainly not going to shoot me over it.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#759 - 2014-10-06 13:41:07 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Trixie Lawless wrote:
Veers you have no clue what you are talking about. Null is not safe...at all...ever, especially in Catch where I live. Yeah we have hose Intel channels because it ISN'T safe you dingleberry. CODE camping two systems with catalysts does not make hi sec more dangerous than null.

You are delusional and full of it. Have you ever even lived in null? I'm guessing not. I'm guessing you went on a roam. Couple of times in a super deserted area and thought you were badass because of it. If null is so safe, how about you come hang out with us down in Catch around the EX6-AO area.

We would live your company!


Why choose Catch as an example? Why not Deklain? And even better, why not the deserted renter areas in the East where the highsec miners go because CODE kills them too much in highsec? How dangerous is AFK Carrier and Ishtar ratting farmville?

very ,numbnnuts, its very dangerous.

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Trixie Lawless
State War Academy
Caldari State
#760 - 2014-10-06 13:46:27 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Trixie Lawless wrote:
Veers you have no clue what you are talking about. Null is not safe...at all...ever, especially in Catch where I live. Yeah we have hose Intel channels because it ISN'T safe you dingleberry. CODE camping two systems with catalysts does not make hi sec more dangerous than null.

You are delusional and full of it. Have you ever even lived in null? I'm guessing not. I'm guessing you went on a roam. Couple of times in a super deserted area and thought you were badass because of it. If null is so safe, how about you come hang out with us down in Catch around the EX6-AO area.

We would live your company!


Why choose Catch as an example? Why not Deklain? And even better, why not the deserted renter areas in the East where the highsec miners go because CODE kills them too much in highsec? How dangerous is AFK Carrier and Ishtar ratting farmville?


You are pointing out low population areas and relating that to all of null...yet you point at TWO systems in hi sec and think that applies to everything.

OK...not just Catch. Go to Providence, VOLT, anywhere with people and see how long you survive.

The idea that hi sec is dangerous is a complete joke and its almost as funny as you.

Lame posts + delusions = Veersforum