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The butthurt comes because you want to keep doing the same things with this nerf, which is not possible.

Find the ways to exploit the new mechanics. Players will always overcome any nerf. Metagame is still there.

Adapt or unsub/biomass.

Ahh, the whine is strong with these ones...

CCP, dont give up, you are going right direction !

Yes, you might end up limiting JFs to a bit more than 5 LY, but for the game's sake DO NOT FALTER.

We are counting on you to make this game HARDER once again, instead of dumbing it down like you did for last years.

And now, we'll see who adapts and who goes back to WoW (which again will make average IQ rise in both games, as it should be).

Keep going strong, and after the jump drives get to fixing the sov mechanics - asap :)

GLGH

It went more like this: http://i.imgur.com/ppaaJRN.png

I'm not part of a larger entity that has a logistics network in place nor do I have the resources to assemble or fund mercenaries to provide escort services on the

I've spent quite a bit of time since the devblog was released trying to figure out how it will impact me and where I currently choose to live, which happens to be NPC Null. I like it here, there are many other corporations or alliances that I have met thanks to moving out here but unfortunately I'm not blue to any of them. I have met some of their industrialists and have built up a network and contacts that are of benefit.

My actions comprise two things, moon goo reacting and the stocking of T1/T2 modules in my local station to form a "market hub". I know others do it in other systems but I've worked hard to be competitive as well as stock anything that might be useful. It's taken a lot of time and effort to do this and numerous JF runs to and from high sec.The reactions help finance the market by providing the ISK I use to buy materials or minerals I do not have or cannot get locally.

Source Locally

What can I source locally is very little, I've tried because it makes sense to make as much locally from what I can get locally to lower transport costs and it helps foster co-operation or goodwill which, in EVE Online, is always a good thing.

However show-stopper issues I've encountered are:

• Entities here that extract or react do not want to sell to me because I'm "red" to them or (and this is probably the biggest reason) its more profitable to sell in Jita.
• Minerals I can mine and/or get from hauler spawns that are combined with what I bought here when I moved out here. T2 materials I cannot get out here, they just aren't available or are so overpriced that buying them reduces any profit to nil.
• Raw materials are extracted by various groups, larger alliances have bullied their way to controlling the high end moons and don't sell to the local market, they export too.

After any changes its potentially going to see ownership of towers mining moon goo change but I don't think it will as they're already run by alt corporations and whilst they'll have similar issues they'll have a larger logistics network behind them from their parent alliances.

In short I cannot function where I live now without access to high sec via JF's. I do weekly runs to Jita to buy what I need and to sell what I cannot use/sell locally. It takes me two jumps to get to high sec space and two to get back. No more than 10 minutes in real time.

Right now I have three options available to me:

• stay and lose all access to high sec
• leave NPC Null I live in and return to high sec
• move to low sec

None of these appeal to me, I want to stay where I am doing what I do because I enjoy it but I cannot do this without access to high sec via a JF. Reducing the range of JF to

After Phoebe

After the changes this would change to at least 6 jumps to get out and 6 more to get back, with a few issues:

• Going through sov space owned by three different hostile entities where I cannot dock and, because I'm in a JF, cannot cloak to remain hidden.
• Gates provide no benefit either as the only gates I could use are already heavily camped and a JF would just be a larger meal for them. Speaking to my CEO he even expected that even the systems around these would see a significant increase in gate-camps after the changes.
• Cannot increase my cap recharging ability with Flux Coils or Relays/Rechargers because you cannot fit these to a JF
• Even if I was able to use hostile systems without issue, I don't have enough cyno characters to run the network I need and adding new ones will require new accounts which I cannot fund via PLEX and don't want to do just for "cyno characters". Its not financial sense.
• Moving cyno characters between locations could be done, but I'd have to figure losing ships regularly and once people see cyno characters they are monitored and my jump network becomes fatal to use.

And what is going to happen to Jump Drive Calibration skill. All it does is extend my range for jumps, which would be made pointless once the maximum jump range was fixed to 5ly. Will it change to something new (fuel reduction... oh wait Jump Fuel Conservation does that)?

What Could Help Instead

• change jump range for all ships EXCEPT the JF/CIS ones. Leave them as they are with extended range and then in the next releases build changes that would make it more worthwhile to sell locally rather than export to high sec.
• jump fatigue is a good idea and should be implemented but if you must do something with JF/CIS decrease the bonus to these from 10% to 50%/75%. Sure will take longer to do some runs but at least I can do the runs on my own.
• possibly adding more gates in and around NPC Null locations that would lessen the number of jumps needed or the need to use a hostile entities sov space for mid-points

99% of what I saw in the devblog I agreed was good but what I don't agree is good is pigeon-holing JF's with combat jump drive. As I've said, I'm a small cog in a larger universe but a major change like this will kill my ability to do most of what I do now and what I've achieved. I'm not alone as there are lots of smaller industrialists who are like myself without the backing or support of a large alliance.

Please reconsider the jump range change for Phoebe, even a delay of a couple of releases would give us smaller guys a fighting chance. The changes to Freighters and Jump Freighters previously took time to evolve and settle, but they aren't as extreme or game changing as what you are proposing for the end of November (less than two months).

Well these changes are clearly adressed to break power projection.

However, I dont think that JF are part of that so it makes no sense to hit the logistical network and the ability to get stuff into the outer regions of space.

CCP should leave JF (maybe also roqual) as they are and only get the jump changes for the fight caps.

so. does this mean we get capitals in highsec or is this limited to low sec and null sec gates?

currently limited to low and null but CCP said they are actively discussing capitals in highsec with the CSM and are slating whether or not they want to do that either post Phoebe or implementing it with Phoebe if the debates and balancing dont take long

ohh tears to go with the morning coffee
sweet now i dont need to add sugar



that siad your over-reacting its not going to be that bad its just going to take longer to get things done, rather than moving your jumpfreighter all the way in 1 day it might take 2 or 3, somewhat like UPS delivery and how its not i click order on Amazon and some dude cynos into my driveway, it takes time to get to me and now null and the outer regions will be the same way. The further you live from the post offices the longer it takes to get your packages. Simple as that

Plus with the new 6 week initiative CCP can Nuke things down and then build them back up as needed i personally think most of us will only have to deal with the initial inconveniences for maybe 6 weeks, then it will get fixed up a bit more or well be used to it.

PS: Wormhole routes are a thing too

thanks il check it out.

jump freighters shouldn't even exist