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Fitting an Arbitrator for killing Dagan (Sisters of EVE epic arc)
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John Badascz
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2014-10-04 11:18:06 UTC
So I've lost my Coercer in Burning Down the Hive yesterday to a bunch of scrambling drones and decided to upgrade to a cruiser / learn some drone skills. I chose the Arbitrator and now I need some advice on fitting it for the Dagan mission. I know his resists change depending on which empire you choose earlier in the mission, so if somebody can explain that in detail and what weapons should I fit for what choice that would be perfect. Keep in mind the fit should stay cheap since I'm only in my 3rd day of EVE and not be heavy on skills.
Thanks in advance.
Amonios Zula
Aeon Ascendant
#2 - 2014-10-04 12:08:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Amonios Zula
Arbitrator is really the wrong ship for the very low skilled.
Its primarilly a drone & ewar ship not a combat cruiser :(

Edit: I probably should clarify.
to get the most at the lower end out of this ship you'd need at least drones 5.
and for earlier missions probably use rapid light missile launchers.
even if you chose not to use it as an ewar platform, its still a couple of weeks training to make it work as more than an expensive (realatively speaking) target.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-10-04 12:14:12 UTC
Omen or Maller would be better. Or ask for help killing him.
John Badascz
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2014-10-04 12:20:03 UTC
I've killed him with the help of some friends a few years ago. I really want to do it on my own this time =)
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-10-04 14:40:14 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
John Badascz wrote:
So I've lost my Coercer in Burning Down the Hive yesterday to a bunch of scrambling drones and decided to upgrade to a cruiser / learn some drone skills. I chose the Arbitrator and now I need some advice on fitting it for the Dagan mission. I know his resists change depending on which empire you choose earlier in the mission, so if somebody can explain that in detail and what weapons should I fit for what choice that would be perfect. Keep in mind the fit should stay cheap since I'm only in my 3rd day of EVE and not be heavy on skills.
Thanks in advance.



Uhm, you are 3 days in EVE, with 3 days you can't by far be a good decent frigate pilot or destroyer pilot. Let alone a cruiser one (for a cruiser to work, you need proper core skills, you need to be able to use medium size modules on the ship and for the Arbi, Drones 5 is kind of a must have (as it's a Drone / E-war ship).

That arbitrator will die too...period

Bigger =/= better

If you have bad skills for a coercer and it dies, then an arbi isn't going to perform much better.


Dagan is intended to introduce you to fleet (so with other players) gameplay...ask for help.

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#6 - 2014-10-04 17:28:24 UTC
One thing I see a lot of newbies do is fly straight in to an enemy and sit at a standstill on an enemy's nose. This is a bad tactic as it means that Dagan will score direct hits and apply most of his damage.

You can take Dagan out in a Destroyer... but you have to orbit close (say... 500 to 1000m) so that most of the damage directed against you is mitigated.

That said... here's an Arbitrator fit I pumped out:

[Arbitrator, New Setup 1]
Damage Control I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I
Medium Armor Repairer I
Drone Damage Amplifier I

Medium Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 400
10MN Afterburner I
Stasis Webifier I
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I, Optimal Range Script

Focused Medium Pulse Laser I, Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser I, Multifrequency M
Rocket Launcher I, Inferno Rocket
Rocket Launcher I, Inferno Rocket

Hammerhead I x5

- everything should fit with minimal skills
- use Meta equipment when you can
- this is a close range ship, you have to be well within 5km to deal damage with your high-slots
- this fit might not have enough tank... be prepared to warp out if you must

How did you Veterans start?
John Badascz
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2014-10-04 18:15:25 UTC
I never sit in a destroyer/frigate, most of the time I orbit the target at 1000 or (rarely) 2500 meters. I've picked Arbitrator only because of the drones (I'll have Drone V tomorrow morning and start working on Medium Drones / Drone Interface).

AFAIK Dagan's weakest point is Explosive followed by ?Kinetic? but again those resists depend on the faction you chose.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#8 - 2014-10-04 18:30:32 UTC
John Badascz wrote:
I never sit in a destroyer/frigate, most of the time I orbit the target at 1000 or (rarely) 2500 meters. I've picked Arbitrator only because of the drones (I'll have Drone V tomorrow morning and start working on Medium Drones / Drone Interface).

AFAIK Dagan's weakest point is Explosive followed by ?Kinetic? but again those resists depend on the faction you chose.

You race is Amarr... so yes... explosive and kinetic will be his weakness.

Generally, Dagan's weakness is the opposite of the racial damage profile of the race you have chosen.

If you chose Amarr: Dagan is weak against Explosive/Kinetic damage
If you chose Minmatar: Dagan is weak against EM/Thermal damage
If you chose Caldari: Dagan is weak against Thermal/Kinetic damage
If you chose Gallente: Dagan is weak against Kinetic/Thermal damage

How did you Veterans start?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#9 - 2014-10-05 00:14:02 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
John Badascz wrote:
I never sit in a destroyer/frigate, most of the time I orbit the target at 1000 or (rarely) 2500 meters. I've picked Arbitrator only because of the drones (I'll have Drone V tomorrow morning and start working on Medium Drones / Drone Interface).

AFAIK Dagan's weakest point is Explosive followed by ?Kinetic? but again those resists depend on the faction you chose.

You race is Amarr... so yes... explosive and kinetic will be his weakness.

Generally, Dagan's weakness is the opposite of the racial damage profile of the race you have chosen.

If you chose Amarr: Dagan is weak against Explosive/Kinetic damage
If you chose Minmatar: Dagan is weak against EM/Thermal damage
If you chose Caldari: Dagan is weak against Thermal/Kinetic damage
If you chose Gallente: Dagan is weak against Kinetic/Thermal damage
Just to clarify his weaknesses change as above depending on the faction you choose to assist for the mission, not your actual race.

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John Badascz
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2014-10-05 00:50:43 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
John Badascz wrote:
I never sit in a destroyer/frigate, most of the time I orbit the target at 1000 or (rarely) 2500 meters. I've picked Arbitrator only because of the drones (I'll have Drone V tomorrow morning and start working on Medium Drones / Drone Interface).

AFAIK Dagan's weakest point is Explosive followed by ?Kinetic? but again those resists depend on the faction you chose.

You race is Amarr... so yes... explosive and kinetic will be his weakness.

Generally, Dagan's weakness is the opposite of the racial damage profile of the race you have chosen.

If you chose Amarr: Dagan is weak against Explosive/Kinetic damage
If you chose Minmatar: Dagan is weak against EM/Thermal damage
If you chose Caldari: Dagan is weak against Thermal/Kinetic damage
If you chose Gallente: Dagan is weak against Kinetic/Thermal damage
Just to clarify his weaknesses change as above depending on the faction you choose to assist for the mission, not your actual race.


That's what I meant, I'll choose Amarr
Optimo Sebiestor
The New Eden School of trade
Organization of Skill Extracting Corporations
#11 - 2014-10-05 11:20:16 UTC
Keep faith Brother.. Its doable to kill him as a newborn in EvE. There are some simple question you can ask Your self;

1: What range is the targets optimal, and how can I counter it.
2: What dmg type is the target using, and how can I counter it.
3: What e-war is the target using, and how can I counter it.

Shipping up, migth not always the the rigth answer. Think outside the Box.

Find the weakness and exploit it. If its not obvious staring you in the face, you can always go in with an free impairor and get a certain Clue on what to expect. And then devise Your strategy from there.
John Badascz
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2014-10-05 12:47:39 UTC
Ok, I just bought an Arbitrator for 7 mil. So a few mil left to fit it, Finishing with lvl 1 mastery and Drone V and will continue with the epic arc tomorrow.
John Badascz
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2014-10-05 17:42:50 UTC  |  Edited by: John Badascz
ShahFluffers wrote:
One thing I see a lot of newbies do is fly straight in to an enemy and sit at a standstill on an enemy's nose. This is a bad tactic as it means that Dagan will score direct hits and apply most of his damage.

You can take Dagan out in a Destroyer... but you have to orbit close (say... 500 to 1000m) so that most of the damage directed against you is mitigated.

That said... here's an Arbitrator fit I pumped out:

[Arbitrator, New Setup 1]
Damage Control I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I
Medium Armor Repairer I
Drone Damage Amplifier I

Medium Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 400
10MN Afterburner I
Stasis Webifier I
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I, Optimal Range Script

Focused Medium Pulse Laser I, Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser I, Multifrequency M
Rocket Launcher I, Inferno Rocket
Rocket Launcher I, Inferno Rocket

Hammerhead I x5

- everything should fit with minimal skills
- use Meta equipment when you can
- this is a close range ship, you have to be well within 5km to deal damage with your high-slots
- this fit might not have enough tank... be prepared to warp out if you must


Umm.. If Dagan is more vulnerable to Explosive than Thermal, shouldn't I pick the Nova Rockets instead of Inferno? Or should I just chose to work with Minmatar?
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#14 - 2014-10-05 17:58:31 UTC
The fit I gave is only an example/template. Change and improve it as needed.

How did you Veterans start?
Amonios Zula
Aeon Ascendant
#15 - 2014-10-05 18:56:13 UTC
I'd be tempted to use Drone Link Augmenter I's in the highs instead of the Pulse lasers.
and probably rapid lights (maybe)
but the above fit works pretty well right at the start :)
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-10-05 21:57:03 UTC
John Badascz wrote:
Ok, I just bought an Arbitrator for 7 mil. So a few mil left to fit it,


Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Seriously.
How will you manage if it dies in the mission? Cruisers are a lot slower than frigates, slower to accelerate into warp too, they handle very differently.
John Badascz
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2014-10-06 10:14:37 UTC
Elena Thiesant wrote:
John Badascz wrote:
Ok, I just bought an Arbitrator for 7 mil. So a few mil left to fit it,


Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Seriously.
How will you manage if it dies in the mission? Cruisers are a lot slower than frigates, slower to accelerate into warp too, they handle very differently.



I already have enough money to buy and fit one more
Bagatur I
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-10-06 11:41:57 UTC
John Badascz wrote:
I never sit in a destroyer/frigate, most of the time I orbit the target at 1000 or (rarely) 2500 meters. I've picked Arbitrator only because of the drones (I'll have Drone V tomorrow morning and start working on Medium Drones / Drone Interface).

AFAIK Dagan's weakest point is Explosive followed by ?Kinetic? but again those resists depend on the faction you chose.


Cant comment on the fit, but this is the ship that Dagan is flying:
http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/item.php?type_id=30743
Bagatur I
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-10-06 11:46:19 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
John Badascz wrote:
I never sit in a destroyer/frigate, most of the time I orbit the target at 1000 or (rarely) 2500 meters. I've picked Arbitrator only because of the drones (I'll have Drone V tomorrow morning and start working on Medium Drones / Drone Interface).

AFAIK Dagan's weakest point is Explosive followed by ?Kinetic? but again those resists depend on the faction you chose.

You race is Amarr... so yes... explosive and kinetic will be his weakness.

Generally, Dagan's weakness is the opposite of the racial damage profile of the race you have chosen.

If you chose Amarr: Dagan is weak against Explosive/Kinetic damage
If you chose Minmatar: Dagan is weak against EM/Thermal damage
If you chose Caldari: Dagan is weak against Thermal/Kinetic damage
If you chose Gallente: Dagan is weak against Kinetic/Thermal damage


Where did you get that from? I chose Gallente last time, fired 4 different missiles at Dagan and Nova missile dealt the most damage. Dagan is flying a Society of Conscious Thought Cruiser, no matter what faction you choose.
Dwissi
Miners Delight Reborn
#20 - 2014-10-06 12:38:28 UTC
If you are not shy of taking a helping hand then jump into the Eve-Uni help channel and ask for Heo Hyungie - he offers free help to anyone with Dagan. He is not taking loot or rewards and he is a pretty know pilot for the dagan kill :)

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