Wormholes

I farm solo in a C4 frequently and have no problem with the RR. In fact, if you field a ship that is able to apply reliable ~1000 DPS (Marauder, Carrier), the RR is hardly noticable.

Sites take around 1-2 Minutes longer now, which is absolutely fine when looking at the insane amount of ISK/h doable in a C4.

The changes are absolutely fine and whoever has problems with the RR in a C4 is probably not ready for this class of WHs when it comes to fieldable equipment. Besides that, no one is forced to do the sites alone. Tests with 2 or 3 ships have shown, that the RR is not even worth mentioning.

The values like "1000 DPS+ RR" mentioned earlier in this thread are far far off, at worst the Sleeper RR in a C4 neutralizes like 150-200 DPS and thats it.

I tested it multiple times and in a good ship it is still absolutely no problem flying these sites solo and making huge amounts of ISK with that. Just don't try it in a 450 DPS Tengu...

Before everyone goes crazy and talks about the death of low class wormholes, I'm mapping out the real damage:

C1 Space(Totally Unaffected)
No RR



C2 Space(Totally Unaffected)
No RR


C3 Spacesmall nerfs to solar cell and Oruze, the 2 rarest kinds of sites, you can no longer rely on unbonused light drones to slowly eat away at frigates in the solar cell, and the site time for the oruze is getting a SLIGHT increase, but with only 130dps repping power even solo ships will be able to melt the low HP low resistance cruisers
Fortification
- 1 RR Cruiser in final wave, low hp and resistances, shouldn't even effect solo ships

Outpost
No RR

Solar Cell
- 2 RR frigates 2nd wave, low hp and resistances, smartbombs and unbonused drones won't be effected, may be difficult for ships that don't have good dps vs frigs to kill them
- 1 RR battleship final wave, low hp and resistances, easily killed first, shouldn't effect solo ships


Oruze
- 1 RR cruiser in first wave, low hp and resistances, easily killed first, shouldn't effect solo ships
- 2 RR Cruisers in final wave, low hp and resistances, 130 dps repping power (against the 60% resistances of the other RR cruiser), site time will be a little slower


C4 SpaceHuge nerf to soloability and site time of the 2 most common sites
Barracks
The final wave is an RR nightmare, there is as much as 965-1126dps in reps. All the ships spawn hundreds of K off and will try to stay at range. This is also a pretty common site.

Command Post
Stupid 1000+dps in reps in the final wave, another huge nerf

Terminus
Couple of RR frigs and cruisers, will slow down solo ships

Info Sanctum
RR cruisers and frigs in the final wave, not as bad as the barracks and command post but it will still slow solo ships down


C5 Spacewith the new buff to flux coils and refitting, core garrisons (most common site) remain for marauders that bring multiple smartbombs, other then that there's a huge nerf to groups as strongholds (2nd most common site) now have a nightmarish last wave
Garrison
6 RR frigs in 2nd wave, solo marauders will have trouble smartbombing the frigs. double or triple smartbomb reccomended

Stronghold
Final wave is a total RR nightmare 2000+dps in reps, soloing will be impossible and small groups will have a lot of trouble

Oruze
Last wave has 4 RR frigs and 3 RR cruisers, ships without good alpha wont be able to kill the frigs

Quarantine
3 RR cruisers in the final wave 250ish dps tank, but no one runs these sites outside of capital escalations or large groups anyways


C6 Space (Totally Unaffected)
No one can really solo these sites, and anything outside of caps are so horrifically inefficient its a null point

It depends on the site.

You talk well but you don't read and comprehend at all. It's not a question of whether you can do it in a bloody carrier (Send route bookmarks please) and every other ship you have listed you have done so in the plural so it's not about whether a gang can do them either.
The main points are i) What was once tough but soloable is now not and ii) As usual it wasn't even mentioned in patch notes and as usual was discovered by players more qualified to test content than the designers. Probably resulted in a few unwarranted ship losses to NPC's in the process.

No, what I am saying is: "The Sleepers do NOT RR like a 1000 DPS". Nothing more, nothing less.

In your home WH you can still do sites in a carrier quite easily.

Outside of your home WH, a Marauder is still able to do the sites solo if you want and have a proper fit. You make less money now, true, but the money still is enough compared to what you can make in comparable environments (0.0 Anomalies). Even if you can run only 2 sites per hour, thats still 160-200 Million ISK.

And heaven forbids to do these sites non-solo (aka dual/tripleboxing or just run them with a few friends), when the RR becomes simply non-existant any more.

So basically all that "ohh ohhh CCP what did you do to sleepers!!!11111" is just nonsense. The Sleepers are just fine. The players are too greedy and believe just because they enjoyed a broken mechanic that made it easy for them, they now magically have the "right" to keep making that much money forever.

Yeah, the sites are a bit harder. Fine. Nothing to complain about. They are still doable and they still generate lots of lots lof lots of money. The only thing that could CCP have done better is: fixing it 2 years ago when they introduced WHs so people don't complain now when everything works as intended.

Vargur (considered the worst Marauder) when it comes to damage application (hello falloff...).


Never in trouble.

You must include:
1. Scan time (yes I understand some sites don't require this)
2. Hole rolling time
3. Salvage time
4. Travel time
etc.

I'd like to see someone spend 24hrs doing wormhole sites and compare it to 24 hours of incursion running and 24 hours of mission running (with/without salvage).

Give me those numbers... and then you can make such statements.