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1st Excuse me if I repeat something already covered in the last 337 pages. I don't have them all memorized.

CCP is over reacting. I agree null is Stagnant. I agree it needs shaken up. My concern as in industrialist (in Null) is the 5 ly maximum jump range. That is horrible. Some gates are so far apart they exceed 5ly. And sorry, I am not taking a jf thru a gate.

And I am not taking a Jf to a non-station system on a regular basis. For those of us on the edge...or near it..I am 38 ly from high. I go at least once a week. I can't see this working.. Null is already a barren wasteland when it comes to buying local..this will be worse.

There are ways to make this limit doable.but need more NPC stations..ones owned by NPC's that can't change hands. Industrialist could work out of there.

I have no doom and gloom predictions. but I think ccp is going over board.

No one in their right mind is going to start taking their caps thru gates on a regular basis. It would not be hard to station Drd's in Pos on a grid system to cover ones empire. There are already many moon pos's out there anyways. Yes it would be nice to use a gate with a cap....

It will be interesting how things turn out.

I think you and a lot of folks are missing the fatigue thing. CCP isn't looking to waste your time on cool down stuff. They're putting and end to large fleets of capitals zipping across new eden. You folks are just in denial. You keep saying tweak this and tweak that to make it a bit more bearable. The point of the changes are to make it stop.

I doubt they are going to make it even a little ok. They're going for ending the instant power projection, not make you waste your time. Accept it and find ways to play eve that don't involve what they are coding out of the game. You guys are putting soooooo much effort into hanging on to a system that isn't good for eve. Let it go (or freak out over timers for the next X number of years)

It's also taking out JF at the knees you say? Everyone is screaming how difficult logistics will be. That may be the point too. The bigger you are, the more the JF thing hurts. Are you getting it? They're taking steps to break the stagnation. If you insist on holding on to the present way of doing things.... It will suck by definition. The point is to innovate and find a new way and a new system.

Maybe also a classier;

Think about what you typed.

From a mostly un-invested perspective (I do wormhole space stuff) these changes look like largely souring the customer relationship at very much the wrong time given the competition from up and coming games at the moment -

Oh, btw, can any of the people who think EVE is about to go back to the 'golden days' of convoys link me the videos from back then showing Convoys protected by Nano Triage Carriers that can take gates and warp as fast as battleships?

I'll wait

You also don't beat your cash cows up. It's undeniable cap pilots are dedicated long term players. Adding long station spinning inducing timers to the course of normal game play seems like a really boring way to punish those players for enjoying the game for so long.

Power projection could be nerfed without timers placed on every action. For instance, put a maximum jump distance of 25LY / 24 hours with no timers between jumps. Then people can jump across a region but not across new eden rapidly to join a space fight. They might even get to participate in more than one space fight.

The proposed mechanics will force players to spend long periods of time station spinning to join any fight in a capital ship. That's just not fun for those players.

You might just say oh noes a bunch of cap pilot tears screw them - but let's be honest - we're all human beings who are playing a game together and having fun - it *should* be important to you that your cap bros are having fun as well because they share a common interest with you that frankly not many people on this earth share with us.

Probably a bit late to spitball, but what the hell.

1) Set all ship jump ranges to exactly 10 light years. Carriers, Titans, Blops, everything. Starbase JBs remain at 5LY.
2) Jump fatigue is measured from 1-100%. Whenever you jump, your fatigue is increased by whatever percentage of 10LY you jump. So a 4LY jump adds 40% fatigue, 8.5LY adds 85%, etc. Simple.
3) Fatigue decays on a curve akin to shields and cap regen, just in reverse. This means that it's much quicker to go from 30% to 20% than from 100% to 90%.
4) Until the fatigue decays completely, this percentage is a limit on subsequent jumps. Someone with a 90% fatigue cannot jump more than 1LY, while someone on 35% fatigue can jump up to 6.5LY
5) Special-cases like blops, freighters and JFs build fatigue at a reduced rate (50% is probably fair).
6) Training Jump Drive Calibration speeds up fatigue decay.

This is far simpler to understand for players, easier to do math on the fly, and means less sitting around waiting on cooldown timers doing nothing in what's meant to be a video game. Inter-region travel is just as slow, but local travel is viable. There's an incentive for players to make shorter jumps or take gates, as recovering from a long jump would take much longer than several shorter ones.
The higher range introduces a trade-off for jump-capable combat ships; the further away they hide the easier it is to make a surprise attack, but the harder it becomes to get away again. In the future, power projection can be tuned by simply adjusting the base rate of fatigue decay.

Examples:

An Archon pilot jumps from Sahkt to Karan, a distance of 6.32LY. After the jump, his fatigue is set at 63.2%. His next jump must be 3.68LY or less, although this will gradually increase as fatigue decays.

A jump freighter pilot jumps from CCP-US to DO6H-Q, a distance of 3.24LY. After the jump, his fatigue is set at a reduced rate of 16.2% (half of 32.4%). His next jump must be 8.38LY or less, although this will gradually increase as fatigue decays.

A Rifter pilot takes a starbase jump bridge between CCP-US and DO6H-Q, a distance of 3.24LY. After the jump, his fatigue is set at 32.4%. His next jump must be 6.76LY or less, meaning he can use at least one more Jump Bridge immediately. This means a return trip is easily possible, but using more than 1-2 bridges means a lengthy delay.