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pushing for harder punishment on hi sec gankers

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#701 - 2014-10-02 19:12:24 UTC
Well, since Fabulous Rod and his latest alts have mysteriously disappeared once again(cough), I now name Veers Belvar as the new "Face of Doing It Wrong".

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Six Beavers
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#702 - 2014-10-02 19:35:26 UTC
I hereby nominate Veers the Tribal leader of all Incursionland. He will faithfully defend his little niche of Eve to his last breath and simultaneously try to nerf your playstyle into the ground.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#703 - 2014-10-02 20:18:11 UTC
Six Beavers wrote:
I hereby nominate Veers the Tribal leader of all Incursionland. He will faithfully defend his little niche of Eve to his last breath and simultaneously try to nerf your playstyle into the ground.


Well now that capitals can take gates in low/null - i predict the demise of low/null incursions as no one will risk moving a battleship fleet into a capital gatecamp. So I could only properly represent highsec incursions. Now of course I have repeatedly supported changes to inflate the prices of ships/mods, which would hurt me, but help Eve, but yes apparently I want to "nerf your playstyle into the ground."
Paranoid Loyd
#704 - 2014-10-02 20:24:49 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
capital gatecamp
LolLolLolLolLol

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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#705 - 2014-10-04 14:59:24 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Yes incursion SRPs are tiny and unused. And that virtually every community loses more than an expensive ship a day is totally false. Carry on.



I've done incursions for about a year and never lost a ship. Out of the many pilots that do incursions do some lose ships? Of course. I bet mining barges are lost to NPC belt rats on a regular basis if you count EVERYONE in Eve that mines...

My point was as a pilot if you are losing ships on a regular basis you are doing something wrong. I wasn't talking about EVERYONE that plays Incursions combined.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#706 - 2014-10-04 15:00:19 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
capital gatecamp
LolLolLolLolLol


I really hate those!
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#707 - 2014-10-04 15:06:30 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Well, since Fabulous Rod and his latest alts have mysteriously disappeared once again(cough), I now name Veers Belvar as the new "Face of Doing It Wrong".

The only way to win against Veers is to not play against Veers. As he has shown a tendency in the past to respond to EVERY post that disagrees with his wrong minded drivel, the only way YOU and all right minded posters can win when playing his game... is to not play his game. Do not respond. Ignore it and it will go away.
It's hard, I know, being that oftentimes the crap that is spewed DEMANDS a response... it is still best to not. It's a test of temperance.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Iain Cariaba
#708 - 2014-10-04 17:11:13 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Well, since Fabulous Rod and his latest alts have mysteriously disappeared once again(cough), I now name Veers Belvar as the new "Face of Doing It Wrong".

The only way to win against Veers is to not play against Veers. As he has shown a tendency in the past to respond to EVERY post that disagrees with his wrong minded drivel, the only way YOU and all right minded posters can win when playing his game... is to not play his game. Do not respond. Ignore it and it will go away.
It's hard, I know, being that oftentimes the crap that is spewed DEMANDS a response... it is still best to not. It's a test of temperance.

But... but... the righteous indignation and hard headed belief in his own delusions of mediocrity make for such amusing threads to read. Veers ranks right up there with Dinsdale, Dryson, and Gevlon in sheer hilarity of shiptoasts.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#709 - 2014-10-04 18:42:45 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Well, since Fabulous Rod and his latest alts have mysteriously disappeared once again(cough), I now name Veers Belvar as the new "Face of Doing It Wrong".

The only way to win against Veers is to not play against Veers. As he has shown a tendency in the past to respond to EVERY post that disagrees with his wrong minded drivel, the only way YOU and all right minded posters can win when playing his game... is to not play his game. Do not respond. Ignore it and it will go away.
It's hard, I know, being that oftentimes the crap that is spewed DEMANDS a response... it is still best to not. It's a test of temperance.

But... but... the righteous indignation and hard headed belief in his own delusions of mediocrity make for such amusing threads to read. Veers ranks right up there with Dinsdale, Dryson, and Gevlon in sheer hilarity of shiptoasts.


No way! Veers Belvar maybe at a safe spot but Dyson is at an unscanable spot so far off the grid not even he knows where he's at.
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#710 - 2014-10-04 20:07:12 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Well, since Fabulous Rod and his latest alts have mysteriously disappeared once again(cough), I now name Veers Belvar as the new "Face of Doing It Wrong".

The only way to win against Veers is to not play against Veers. As he has shown a tendency in the past to respond to EVERY post that disagrees with his wrong minded drivel, the only way YOU and all right minded posters can win when playing his game... is to not play his game. Do not respond. Ignore it and it will go away.
It's hard, I know, being that oftentimes the crap that is spewed DEMANDS a response... it is still best to not. It's a test of temperance.



But where is the fun with that? I mean sure I might ask the pantless guy on the subway who is talking to himself to please go on about his tinfoil hat because there might be a legitimate fear. Or I could just be killing time on my ride.

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Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#711 - 2014-10-04 20:25:02 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Well, since Fabulous Rod and his latest alts have mysteriously disappeared once again(cough), I now name Veers Belvar as the new "Face of Doing It Wrong".

The only way to win against Veers is to not play against Veers. As he has shown a tendency in the past to respond to EVERY post that disagrees with his wrong minded drivel, the only way YOU and all right minded posters can win when playing his game... is to not play his game. Do not respond. Ignore it and it will go away.
It's hard, I know, being that oftentimes the crap that is spewed DEMANDS a response... it is still best to not. It's a test of temperance.


If you look at my posts in this thread carefully, you will see that my arguments against incursion runners were so airtight that Veers did not even attempt to respond to them. Rather he blathered on about how incursion runners are less botlike than miners - a point which others took up and ran with, but which I never disputed.

So I have reason to believe that I actually roundly defeated Veers in this particular contest of wits, since he pretty much forfeited.

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#712 - 2014-10-05 00:27:49 UTC
Haedonism Bot wrote:


So I have reason to believe that I actually roundly defeated Veers in this particular contest of wits, since he pretty much forfeited.
It's hardly a contest if your opponent is unarmed P

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#713 - 2014-10-05 01:03:39 UTC
Haedonism Bot wrote:


If you look at my posts in this thread carefully, you will see that my arguments against incursion runners were so airtight that Veers did not even attempt to respond to them. Rather he blathered on about how incursion runners are less botlike than miners - a point which others took up and ran with, but which I never disputed.

So I have reason to believe that I actually roundly defeated Veers in this particular contest of wits, since he pretty much forfeited.


Keep telling yourself that and someday it may be true....

Incursions is the eltie PvE content of Eve....and often running incursions can be more challenging than fleet level PvP
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#714 - 2014-10-05 01:30:15 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Haedonism Bot wrote:


If you look at my posts in this thread carefully, you will see that my arguments against incursion runners were so airtight that Veers did not even attempt to respond to them. Rather he blathered on about how incursion runners are less botlike than miners - a point which others took up and ran with, but which I never disputed.

So I have reason to believe that I actually roundly defeated Veers in this particular contest of wits, since he pretty much forfeited.


Keep telling yourself that and someday it may be true....

Incursions is the eltie PvE content of Eve....and often running incursions can be more challenging than fleet level PvP


"Elite" and "PVE" don't go in a sentence together. They do, in fact, contradict each other completely.

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Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#715 - 2014-10-05 01:31:41 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Haedonism Bot wrote:


If you look at my posts in this thread carefully, you will see that my arguments against incursion runners were so airtight that Veers did not even attempt to respond to them. Rather he blathered on about how incursion runners are less botlike than miners - a point which others took up and ran with, but which I never disputed.

So I have reason to believe that I actually roundly defeated Veers in this particular contest of wits, since he pretty much forfeited.


Keep telling yourself that and someday it may be true....

Incursions is the eltie PvE content of Eve....and often running incursions can be more challenging than fleet level PvP


Elite PvE in Eve............we have that now?
Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#716 - 2014-10-05 01:34:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Haedonism Bot
Veers Belvar wrote:
Haedonism Bot wrote:


If you look at my posts in this thread carefully, you will see that my arguments against incursion runners were so airtight that Veers did not even attempt to respond to them. Rather he blathered on about how incursion runners are less botlike than miners - a point which others took up and ran with, but which I never disputed.

So I have reason to believe that I actually roundly defeated Veers in this particular contest of wits, since he pretty much forfeited.


Keep telling yourself that and someday it may be true....

Incursions is the eltie PvE content of Eve....and often running incursions can be more challenging than fleet level PvP


Incursions are the elite...

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Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#717 - 2014-10-05 02:49:26 UTC
I don't necessarily agree that gankers need to be punished more harshly.. however, I believe the rewards need to be comensorate with the risk so the value of high sec needs to be restored. It should not be radically nerfed just because it not null sec. High is different play not lesser play.. that's the way it should be.

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Mine.
#718 - 2014-10-05 11:59:15 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
I don't necessarily agree that gankers need to be punished more harshly.. however, I believe the rewards need to be comensorate with the risk so the value of high sec needs to be restored. It should not be radically nerfed just because it not null sec. High is different play not lesser play.. that's the way it should be.


I agree. There is no need to nerf highsec income sources if the risk is restored to the miners, haulers and missioners/incursion runners operating in highsec. Just a few tweaks - increasing, or at least making much more variable CONCORD response times (plus a small chance that they don't spawn at all, especially for incursion systems), adding a rare chance that some burner-style NPCs spawn on belts and gates occasionally to punish the AFKers, an increasing tax/other financial penalties to punish those hiding in an starter corp beyond a certain time limit, and some changes to wardecs so that they cannot be dodged with impunity would be enough.

These small tweaks would add just a small, but real amount of risk and prevent people from exploiting the free protection provided by highsec mechanics to make AFK ISK with near impunity.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#719 - 2014-10-05 12:21:25 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
I don't necessarily agree that gankers need to be punished more harshly.. however, I believe the rewards need to be comensorate with the risk so the value of high sec needs to be restored. It should not be radically nerfed just because it not null sec. High is different play not lesser play.. that's the way it should be.


On one hand, you say that risk/reward needs reinstated.

On the other hand, you say that highsec should not be brought into line, because it's special.

Lol.

Highsec's risk/isk ratio is hilariously skewed towards profitability. This is not necessarily because they are so profitable (with the huge exception of incursions), but because highsec is too damned safe.

In the future, I advise you to not to bring up the whole "risk vs reward" concept, since no matter what it is damning towards highsec as it currently exists.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#720 - 2014-10-05 13:58:45 UTC
That's hilarious - nullsec is vastly more profitable than highsec....especially in the ultr-safe blue donut. If anything, highsec rewards, especially in incursions, could use a major buff to match the risk/reward of blue donut nullsec. Maybe doubling all bounties and payouts would suffice.