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Dev Blog: Long-Distance Travel Changes Inbound

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#6041 - 2014-10-03 20:45:32 UTC
Kassasis Dakkstromri wrote:



Drunk?


For an entire month? Possible.

It must have been some sort of outlandish plan involving megathrons I had.
Bezdar22
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
#6042 - 2014-10-03 20:45:35 UTC
i can see there will be gate camp with smart bomb supers and titan
see then how many ppl cries.. and how much tidi lag will be.

i wonder why on earth why trained JC 5 for?
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#6043 - 2014-10-03 20:45:58 UTC
Varesk wrote:
All of these changes could be avoided if CCP actually worked on getting rid of TiDi. TiDI is what allows these big fights to get the dog pile and allow people in the north travel to the south.


You can't physically get rid of TiDi if you are trying to allow all pilots to enter a single node (and that is a key Marketing ploy, err, feature that CCP insists on touting, even if it really is just an outright falsehood in practicality) - Server and Internet technology is not advanced enough to do that.

I dunno if anyone has actually calculated it out, but even with infinitely capable servers the speed of light limit might actually even put getting rid of TiDi as complete impossibility so long as all players are not in the same room with the servers. TiDi was a brilliant solution that at least allowed the servers to survive a node blob onslaught. Without TiDi you can kiss the server goodbye - because single shard and sandbox marketing says everyone has the right to be in that one system. I'll say it again - you cannot get rid of the need for TiDi with server changes under the current marketing of EVE.

So, given that nodes and the internet are not infinitely capable - you have to address node blobbing (nobbing anyone?) with game mechanic changes, of which this power projection nerf is a partial solution. They're about to put up the stop sign to keep one side of the server universe from nobbing the other side of the server universe on a whim. The power projection nerf is not a total fix. Whatever the complete solution is, it will have to force blob battles to spread out across multiple nodes in such a way that they do not require real time interaction between the nodes. Once you break that dependency TiDi can take a much needed holiday.

This did bring up a thought - if CCP's real intent is to kill the need for TiDi so they can use much cheaper servers.
Kassasis Dakkstromri
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6044 - 2014-10-03 20:47:17 UTC
smokeydapot wrote:
Kassasis Dakkstromri wrote:


Oh and again: 300

The ASCII version of poopsocking - You see it too right? Ya... I know you do Lol


Also: Total shame that CSM never did really show up to this Threadnaught - even posting a blank post would have been a better message than not showing up at all in protest!


First time I contacted one since inception and I got his dam answer machine its just like a GM.

Please stay on the line your call is important to us but your money more so.

" insert random music here "

Who is with me for the first capital roam ??

If conversation doesn't show CCP the fools they have made of themselves perhaps low bears tears will when 50+ carriers dismantle there well formed BS gate camps.

You just know they will agro first what fools EvilEvilEvil


SInce I will still be subbed (annual subbing and all) when trainwrek hits, I totally have a Chimera and Phoenix that could use a fiery death...

Put me in your address book - I'm totally down for that!



So like how many days in advance do you want to form?? lulz

CCP you are bad at EVE... Stop potential silliness ~ Solo Wulf

Sentinel Eeex
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6045 - 2014-10-03 20:47:24 UTC
Mr Floydy wrote:
gascanu wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Zhul Chembull wrote:
For combat do what you will. For logistics lets think it through a bit better.


I predict the bigger null sec alliances will move close to high sec like goons will move to ec-par in cloud ring and base out of there and then leave the deep space so small fish like me


and you will get to deep space...how?


Wormholes. Also jumping across enemy territory into quiet systems with scouts and then jumping on to the next inevitable empty system towards deep space?

Guys in null will cope, atleast the inventive non-sheep will do.


I can understand that CCP employees sometimes forget that EVE is not a full time job for everyone, but I am quite amused by number of players that treat EVE as a full time job, and expect others to do so too.

That's quite cute.
Toriessian
Helion Production Labs
Independent Operators Consortium
#6046 - 2014-10-03 20:47:44 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Kassasis Dakkstromri wrote:


Drunk?


For an entire month? Possible.

It must have been some sort of outlandish plan involving megathrons I had.


Subconsciously you always knew a Moros was just a really big Megathron....

Every day I'm wafflin!

Kassasis Dakkstromri
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6047 - 2014-10-03 20:48:15 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Kassasis Dakkstromri wrote:



Drunk?


For an entire month? Possible.

It must have been some sort of outlandish plan involving megathrons I had.



There's a juicy story there - plz do share!

CCP you are bad at EVE... Stop potential silliness ~ Solo Wulf

Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
#6048 - 2014-10-03 20:48:50 UTC
Kassasis Dakkstromri wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Kassasis Dakkstromri wrote:
You know if you turn the number 300 vertically it kinda does look like a ASCII version of poopsocking.... which you fanboi's should be expecting do a lot of if your still planning on flying Capitals!

300


YOu see it too right? Lol


Funny thing here is that I am now training for a dread because of the changes. That's something I never expected to do..


Enjoy that training grind for Jump Cal V so you can get your way awesome 5 LY jump range m8 Lol
No problem, already there,,,Smile
And with so many apparently quitting, it only means people like me will be in higher demand. Well, at least my JF servicesCool

Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format. Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......

MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#6049 - 2014-10-03 20:49:38 UTC
Sentinel Eeex wrote:
Mr Floydy wrote:
gascanu wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Zhul Chembull wrote:
For combat do what you will. For logistics lets think it through a bit better.


I predict the bigger null sec alliances will move close to high sec like goons will move to ec-par in cloud ring and base out of there and then leave the deep space so small fish like me


and you will get to deep space...how?


Wormholes. Also jumping across enemy territory into quiet systems with scouts and then jumping on to the next inevitable empty system towards deep space?

Guys in null will cope, atleast the inventive non-sheep will do.


I can understand that CCP employees sometimes forget that EVE is not a full time job for everyone, but I am quite amused by number of players that treat EVE as a full time job, and expect others to do so too.

That's quite cute.



What you mean like your alliance leader who prides himself on having eve be his full time job.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.

Jessica Duranin
Doomheim
#6050 - 2014-10-03 20:50:15 UTC
KIller Wabbit wrote:
I dunno if anyone has actually calculated it out, but even with infinitely capable servers the speed of light limit might actually even put getting rid of TiDi as complete impossibility so long as all players are not in the same room with the servers.

What the hell?
Speed of light has nothing to do with TiDi.
Mona Me
poon-tang
#6051 - 2014-10-03 20:50:35 UTC
Thead Enco wrote:
ThreadAtar Update:

For anyone that's interested feel free to take the following Straw Poll


Bump for the straw poll.
Jethro Winchester
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6052 - 2014-10-03 20:50:58 UTC
Kassasis Dakkstromri wrote:
Ohkewl wrote:
Ok,who at CCP hired John Smedley?
Come on CCP_Smedley, show yourself!
Also, proposal to change the name for the next mini expansion into Exodus.


Hehehe

Two big reveals:

1) John Smedley is actually.... Yar! Captain Neckbeard! Pirate (maybe)

2) Exodus was already an expansion ~ Sorry Straight


My vote is still for EVE:Hourglass
Kassasis Dakkstromri
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6053 - 2014-10-03 20:53:19 UTC
Esrevid Nekkeg wrote:
Kassasis Dakkstromri wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Kassasis Dakkstromri wrote:
You know if you turn the number 300 vertically it kinda does look like a ASCII version of poopsocking.... which you fanboi's should be expecting do a lot of if your still planning on flying Capitals!

300


YOu see it too right? Lol


Funny thing here is that I am now training for a dread because of the changes. That's something I never expected to do..


Enjoy that training grind for Jump Cal V so you can get your way awesome 5 LY jump range m8 Lol
No problem, already there,,,Smile
And with so many apparently quitting, it only means people like me will be in higher demand. Well, at least my JF servicesCool



Oh hai random 3rd party poster!

Ummm well cool, that sounds great, hope it works out for you; k? Bye. Shocked

CCP you are bad at EVE... Stop potential silliness ~ Solo Wulf

smokeydapot
Moon Of The Pheonix
#6054 - 2014-10-03 20:53:34 UTC
Kassasis Dakkstromri wrote:
smokeydapot wrote:
Kassasis Dakkstromri wrote:


Oh and again: 300

The ASCII version of poopsocking - You see it too right? Ya... I know you do Lol


Also: Total shame that CSM never did really show up to this Threadnaught - even posting a blank post would have been a better message than not showing up at all in protest!


First time I contacted one since inception and I got his dam answer machine its just like a GM.

Please stay on the line your call is important to us but your money more so.

" insert random music here "

Who is with me for the first capital roam ??

If conversation doesn't show CCP the fools they have made of themselves perhaps low bears tears will when 50+ carriers dismantle there well formed BS gate camps.

You just know they will agro first what fools EvilEvilEvil


SInce I will still be subbed (annual subbing and all) when trainwrek hits, I totally have a Chimera and Phoenix that could use a fiery death...

Put me in your address book - I'm totally down for that!



So like how many days in advance do you want to form?? lulz


Like 2 weeks before so better get ready now I suppose just encase this was patch notes and not a dev blog.

I don't even care if you kill me it's not the first carrier I will have lost when I loose it that will be 3 in 5 years still better than most combat records with capitals.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#6055 - 2014-10-03 20:55:15 UTC
Kassasis Dakkstromri wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Kassasis Dakkstromri wrote:



Drunk?


For an entire month? Possible.

It must have been some sort of outlandish plan involving megathrons I had.



There's a juicy story there - plz do share!


I have been pressing CCP for years to get me a Megathron with a capital jump drive strapped to it so I could take a megathron on capital fleets. Now that the Moros can jump via gates its only logical that I adapt it for use in baltec fleet and possibly for cruiser gangs.
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#6056 - 2014-10-03 20:55:19 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:
Rollaz wrote:
CCP Greyscale
CCP Logibro
CCP Fozzie

If it hasn't been said before...

A char that's been sold should either:

A. Have it's jump timer reset
or
B. The Character Bazaar char disclosures needs to be updated to require the disclosure of a timer greater then "x" days.


Also, can we these two values added to the API so we can see them out of game?


No you shouldn't be able to see them out of game.


Corp recruiters might think otherwise. It's silly to not have it on the API.
Kassasis Dakkstromri
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6057 - 2014-10-03 20:55:33 UTC
Jethro Winchester wrote:
Kassasis Dakkstromri wrote:
Ohkewl wrote:
Ok,who at CCP hired John Smedley?
Come on CCP_Smedley, show yourself!
Also, proposal to change the name for the next mini expansion into Exodus.


Hehehe

Two big reveals:

1) John Smedley is actually.... Yar! Captain Neckbeard! Pirate (maybe)

2) Exodus was already an expansion ~ Sorry Straight


My vote is still for EVE:Hourglass



EVE: Crakwhor ? Cause anyone that's gonna sit and stay awake for that long trying to actually *use* capitals is gonna suddenly become one just to stave off the misery and bordem, let alone stay awake.

CCP you are bad at EVE... Stop potential silliness ~ Solo Wulf

MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#6058 - 2014-10-03 20:55:55 UTC
Bezdar22 wrote:
i can see there will be gate camp with smart bomb supers and titan
see then how many ppl cries.. and how much tidi lag will be.

i wonder why on earth why trained JC 5 for?



Grayscale did suggest that jump drive skills could be rebalanced. So maybe jc 5 will reduce fatigue or the timer...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.

MonkeyBusiness Thiesant
Pandemic Unicorns
#6059 - 2014-10-03 20:57:09 UTC
Mona Me wrote:
Thead Enco wrote:
ThreadAtar Update:

For anyone that's interested feel free to take the following Straw Poll


Bump for the straw poll.


There's already one, with a lot more votes:

http://strawpoll.me/2686971/r
Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
#6060 - 2014-10-03 20:57:14 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Kassasis Dakkstromri wrote:



Drunk?


For an entire month? Possible.

It must have been some sort of outlandish plan involving megathrons I had.

I recall you at one point wrote repeatedly about wanting to have Megathron with jump drive. Connection?

As my old maths teacher used to say: "Statistics are like bikinis: It's what they don't show that's interesting". -CCP Aporia