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Dev Blog: Long-Distance Travel Changes Inbound

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Jethro Winchester
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5861 - 2014-10-03 18:43:56 UTC
Veskrashen wrote:
Zhul Chembull wrote:
For combat do what you will. For logistics lets think it through a bit better.

Logistics enables combat. And as has been stated several times already, JFs will be used to circumvent the speed caps that CCP has in mind if you extend their range. Which combat pilots will abuse with impunity.

Not to mention that you "logistics" Rorquals make very effective combat platforms on their own.

Make logistics hard. It's the only way to shrink sprawling empires that don't have the organizational skill to overcome the challenges. Null became stagnant on the back of easy logistics - breaking that backbone is part of the drive to breathe new life into nullsec.


You still really don't understand the ramifications of these changes on the little guy.

To quote Rorschach. "I'm not locked in here with you, you're all locked in here with me."

Enjoy the never-ending gatecamps Mr.Galmil. Snuff can't save you anymore. ;)
Alp Khan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5862 - 2014-10-03 18:44:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Alp Khan
Toriessian wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:

I don't see any simple way to give a BLOPs fatigue immunity AND keep it from being the new shuttle to get cap pilots across the map. The cost of a BLOPs hull isn't really that much for the larger groups and fatigue immunity would far outweigh the isk. So I agree, but there are complications.


Just make anyone whos used a black ops bridge/jump unable to make a regular bridge/jump during a given 24 hour period.

This way even if you can get back to your capitals, you're not jumping anywhere with them.



There is already a new shuttle, and it's both interdiction nullified and untouchable on gates due to being able enter warp under two seconds with a travel fit. It's also the fastest ship in terms of warp speed in EVE, with the exception of Leopard, the special edition Minmatar shuttle.

With this new shuttle, it only takes around 25 minutes to make a round trip around the entire outlying borderline of New Eden, without taking any Jump Bridges or Titans, while only taking gates.

It's called an interceptor.

So tell us more about how CCP will be able to limit pilot travel by limiting medical clones to the stations you are in, friends!
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#5863 - 2014-10-03 18:44:33 UTC
Mr Floydy wrote:
gascanu wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Zhul Chembull wrote:
For combat do what you will. For logistics lets think it through a bit better.


I predict the bigger null sec alliances will move close to high sec like goons will move to ec-par in cloud ring and base out of there and then leave the deep space so small fish like me


and you will get to deep space...how?


Wormholes. Also jumping across enemy territory into quiet systems with scouts and then jumping on to the next inevitable empty system towards deep space?

Guys in null will cope, atleast the inventive non-sheep will do.


i am not a WH guy... but are not all 0.0 wh to WH space not able to take capital ships cuss they lead to low level WH class space? or am i wrong on that one?

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
smokeydapot
Moon Of The Pheonix
#5864 - 2014-10-03 18:44:35 UTC
Kassasis Dakkstromri wrote:
smokeydapot wrote:
Kassasis Dakkstromri wrote:
So you know we're nearing 300 pages (inching ever so closer.... hold out inbeforelock just a little bit longerrrrr.....)

And I've only seen 1 CSM post... some sack hanger that clearly doesn't understand the reality of what's happening, and how the CSM he is part of totally got thrown under the bus to cover for this trainwreck.

Soooo... I'm thinkin' the rest of the CSM is like 'meh.. @#$! it' and is boycotting this thread?

Thoughts??


Oh btw if CCP doesn't loose subbs to rage quits because of this, then it might be a drop in US subbs due to Ebola (scary face) - Washington DC just reporting possible Ebola patient being admitted that traveled to Nigeria.

Just sayin'.


If we get to page 300 we all win free titans for life.

GOGOGOGO


The real ones or the nerfed ones? Cause if you're gonna give me a nerfed one I'll just reprocess it...

Or hey BPO would be nice so then I can at leat to a VIEW and imagine flying a real one!!


The old broken ones with the AOE DD and DD through portal aahhh they where the days
Kassasis Dakkstromri
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5865 - 2014-10-03 18:45:21 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
To all the goons still crying over this:

CCP is not trying to ruin the game, they are trying to ruin your game.






And why did this whiticism take so long to come up - you should have held out till page 300 for the cup de grace

CCP you are bad at EVE... Stop potential silliness ~ Solo Wulf
Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#5866 - 2014-10-03 18:45:52 UTC
Aliza Cosma Chupinskowa wrote:

Fix our game on the way that promotes and generate teamplay and
involved more players to make a goal (that means in this case a long jump route).
CCP think at least once about, it is not always the easiest way for you, that is the best for your customers, whose money you want to have.
We want play, forming teams and fleets with much different roles inside, complexity and we want use our brain (from time to time) not simply reduction of jumprange with a stupid timer... risk vs reward... all i see is the easiest way for ccp and less fun for us.


Teamplay, escort a freighter through null. Done. Risk vs reward, done.

They need to remove jumps altogether. Then you'll really have teamwork.
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Midgard Academy
#5867 - 2014-10-03 18:46:10 UTC
Aliza Cosma Chupinskowa wrote:
Two things that happen if you do your plans on that way.

First: I 'm looking activ for a new game

Second: yeah I can close a account with cyano chars. I have no need more because I can't traveling so much.. Good for me I save money bad for you CCP!


My suggestion:

- Increasing the distance between the gates, makes greater eve, the distans from system to system and constellations to constellation. I see no problem if full skilled subcaps stranded from time to time between the stars and not well skilled subcabs often.

- increased a little more the fuel consumption.

- set a timer similar to the one from which you announced but with different timers, he runs faster in space than on the safe station (significant faster of course). true the moto risk vs reward! (you see the all the funny
possibilities that could happen if a cap fleet rest in space for faster travelling?)

- give titans the ability to make a shild like the PoS shild for the fleet. Inside this shild the timer runs not so slow as in a safe station and not so fast as in space a good middle way to make the jumpdrive ready again.

- rapid recharge the jump drive works in a PoS should not be possible.

Fix our game on the way that promotes and generate teamplay and
involved more players to make a goal (that means in this case a long jump route).
CCP think at least once about, it is not always the easiest way for you, that is the best for your customers, whose money you want to have.
We want play, forming teams and fleets with much different roles inside, complexity and we want use our brain (from time to time) not simply reduction of jumprange with a stupid timer... risk vs reward... all i see is the easiest way for ccp and less fun for us.



Hi you must be new to the game.


There was a time when jump bridges didnt exist and jump freighters didnt exist, neither did orcas or wormholes. And guess what, BoB, Goons, Razor, CVA, ASCN, FREGE, SMASH/KILL and others had very vast empires that they all controlled.

Maybe get out of yoru capital ship and actually play the game. Hac's and BS's are more fun than flying coffins anyway.

Why Can't I have a picture signature.

Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#5868 - 2014-10-03 18:46:22 UTC
Skydell wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Zhul Chembull wrote:
For combat do what you will. For logistics lets think it through a bit better.


I predict the bigger null sec alliances will move close to high sec like goons will move to ec-par in cloud ring and base out of there and then leave the deep space so small fish like me


Considering the nature of EVE gates and the whole 'you must pay a toll' concept of getting from deep Null to High Sec, this is a reasonable conclusion. I would predict another scenario. HQ on the High Sec rim, Renters on the crusty outside of the blue donut.


I am totally fine with this as long as ccp puts "freeport" stations across 0.0... that way i can base out of anywhere in space as it was NPC space

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Nostromo Fidanza
Blueprint Mania
#5869 - 2014-10-03 18:46:44 UTC
Veskrashen wrote:
gascanu wrote:
and you will get to deep space...how?

Wormholes. Gates. Jumping into your space and right through. Going around the long way.

In short, where there's a will there's a way. Can't guard all the portal gates all the time well enough - and if you try, you'll just burn yourself out.


lolz exactly. I never take gates to get to and from null sec anymore anyway. There are lots of k to k wh's from null sec to low or high sec
flakeys
Doomheim
#5870 - 2014-10-03 18:48:01 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
smokeydapot wrote:
flakeys wrote:

You :'' You must be a carebear who never left empire because you agree with the change''
Me:'' Nope i was in empire when you didn't even know what eve was , here's proof ''
You:'' Yeah well , uhm well , but my killboardrecord is worse because of reasons''

So still you miss the point of my post , a LOT of people who agree with the changes are people who do have null experience and exactly THAT is the reason why they agree with these changes.


Employment history states you 2014 on this more than likely alt what's wrong can't post on your main ???

Lets see this amazing kill board while I continue to siege the thread.


This char is from 2003 as evewho will also show or look ingame as there must be something wrong with your eyes or the charhistory through the forum.Zkillboard has most of the stats for this character as it is my main so feel free to go look there just as i did for your character , i say most as this char has had a namechange halfway so my record for the first 3 years is under a different name yet the same character as again my corphistory will show.


And yes this character currently is in an npc corp because of a few things , rl is verry busy so not much time the last 2 months to log in but mostly because my heart lies with nullsec but seeing how that is currently i rather await the new changes before i head back there.I've been in the last great war and i have enjoyed frigskirmishes in fw space more then that whole war including B-R.


I actually shouldn't even reply though as this is the third time you fail to see that a lot of people who are for this change have the same or more experience in nullsec warfare then you , and yet you just keep thinking that that is IMPOSSIBLE.Just as you assumed that someone with ann npc tag MUST be a forumalt.Your so full of prejudices it is blocking you from thinking straight.

Yet another perfect example of why my sig even though it's an old one keeps it's value.Your not sieging the thread , your just showing your ignorance.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#5871 - 2014-10-03 18:48:45 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
Nostromo Fidanza wrote:
Veskrashen wrote:
gascanu wrote:
and you will get to deep space...how?

Wormholes. Gates. Jumping into your space and right through. Going around the long way.

In short, where there's a will there's a way. Can't guard all the portal gates all the time well enough - and if you try, you'll just burn yourself out.


lolz exactly. I never take gates to get to and from null sec anymore anyway. There are lots of k to k wh's from null sec to low or high sec


do k to k wh have enough mass for a capital ship?

My knowledge of wormholes is rather limited.

oh and this thread has no officially beat the T20 threadnaught as the largest in EVE history. though the summer of rage thread might have been longer but we will never know due to the manny manny posts being delted.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#5872 - 2014-10-03 18:49:35 UTC
Kismeteer wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
To all the goons still crying over this:

CCP is not trying to ruin the game, they are trying to ruin your game.


Check again, they are ruining any small group's game. Many of us are crying over the loss of the big fleet battles though.

Just because it takes time to reach you doesn't mean we won't come and stomp your tiny corp to bits.


LOL, good luck with that. It would truly be amusing and would actually create some FRAKKING CONTENT.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
smokeydapot
Moon Of The Pheonix
#5873 - 2014-10-03 18:50:47 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Skydell wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Zhul Chembull wrote:
For combat do what you will. For logistics lets think it through a bit better.


I predict the bigger null sec alliances will move close to high sec like goons will move to ec-par in cloud ring and base out of there and then leave the deep space so small fish like me


Considering the nature of EVE gates and the whole 'you must pay a toll' concept of getting from deep Null to High Sec, this is a reasonable conclusion. I would predict another scenario. HQ on the High Sec rim, Renters on the crusty outside of the blue donut.


I am totally fine with this as long as ccp puts "freeport" stations across 0.0... that way i can base out of anywhere in space as it was NPC space


I would rather reverse your idea and make jita 4 - 4 conquerable the tears would kill the forums in seconds about people loosing stuff bwahahaha
Nostromo Fidanza
Blueprint Mania
#5874 - 2014-10-03 18:50:55 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Nostromo Fidanza wrote:
Veskrashen wrote:
gascanu wrote:
and you will get to deep space...how?

Wormholes. Gates. Jumping into your space and right through. Going around the long way.

In short, where there's a will there's a way. Can't guard all the portal gates all the time well enough - and if you try, you'll just burn yourself out.


lolz exactly. I never take gates to get to and from null sec anymore anyway. There are lots of k to k wh's from null sec to low or high sec


do k to k wh have enough mass for a capital ship?

My knowledge of wormholes is rather limited.

oh and this thread has no officially beat the T20 threadnaught as the largest in EVE history. though the summer of rage thread might have been longer but we will never know due to the manny manny posts being delted.


That's a good question I'm not sure. I'm always in a covert ops frigate so I've never thought to ask or look it up. Other experts will have to chime in here.
Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#5875 - 2014-10-03 18:50:59 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
i am not a WH guy... but are not all 0.0 wh to WH space not able to take capital ships cuss they lead to low level WH class space? or am i wrong on that one?

I am a WH guy, but I can't remember all wormholes...
There are definitely direct wormholes between C5 space and null, the same applies for C6.

Think there are also null-null wormholes? If there isn't maybe CCP will add some to allow more options in you null guys moving around :)
Jean Luc Lemmont
Carebears on Fire
#5876 - 2014-10-03 18:51:02 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
To all the goons and CFC still crying over this:

CCP is not trying to ruin the game, they are trying to ruin your game.


I just spit pepsi all over my screen.

Well played, Doc.

Will I get banned for boxing!?!?!

This thread has degenerated to the point it's become like two bald men fighting over a comb. -- Doc Fury

It's bonuses, not boni, you cretins.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#5877 - 2014-10-03 18:53:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Skydell
Arsine Mayhem wrote:
Aliza Cosma Chupinskowa wrote:

Fix our game on the way that promotes and generate teamplay and
involved more players to make a goal (that means in this case a long jump route).
CCP think at least once about, it is not always the easiest way for you, that is the best for your customers, whose money you want to have.
We want play, forming teams and fleets with much different roles inside, complexity and we want use our brain (from time to time) not simply reduction of jumprange with a stupid timer... risk vs reward... all i see is the easiest way for ccp and less fun for us.


Teamplay, escort a freighter through null. Done. Risk vs reward, done.

They need to remove jumps altogether. Then you'll really have teamwork.



I laughed when I saw 'escort a freighter'.

I've seen several escorted freighters with Outpost pods. I saw them because they were killmails. It doesn't work. This is where the flaws of this whole thing fall apart.

Capitals don't belong on gates. They weren't designed for the F1 lockdown systems like Tackle and bubble.
Freighter don't belong on gates, JF either. They weren't designed for the F1 lockdown tackle and bubble.
Black Ops BS on a gate is fail too, for the same reason.

This plan forces those three groups to use gates and they aren't supposed to be on gates.

JF use Jumps
Freighter, Capitals use Titan bridge,
Black Ops have their own suite of evasion.

This whole idea of CCPs is a blanket solution that forces people to make bad choices and people won't do it. The reason Null is stagnant is the rope a dope mechanics that force people to make bad decisions are fleshed out and nobody is doing it anymore.
flakeys
Doomheim
#5878 - 2014-10-03 18:53:46 UTC
smokeydapot wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Skydell wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Zhul Chembull wrote:
For combat do what you will. For logistics lets think it through a bit better.


I predict the bigger null sec alliances will move close to high sec like goons will move to ec-par in cloud ring and base out of there and then leave the deep space so small fish like me


Considering the nature of EVE gates and the whole 'you must pay a toll' concept of getting from deep Null to High Sec, this is a reasonable conclusion. I would predict another scenario. HQ on the High Sec rim, Renters on the crusty outside of the blue donut.


I am totally fine with this as long as ccp puts "freeport" stations across 0.0... that way i can base out of anywhere in space as it was NPC space


I would rather reverse your idea and make jita 4 - 4 conquerable the tears would kill the forums in seconds about people loosing stuff bwahahaha



And yet this thread has created more tears then all the burn jita threads together , how insightfull you are.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
smokeydapot
Moon Of The Pheonix
#5879 - 2014-10-03 18:56:03 UTC
flakeys wrote:
This char is from 2003 as evewho will also show or look ingame as there must be something wrong with your eyes or the charhistory through the forum.Zkillboard has most of the stats for this character as it is my main so feel free to go look there just as i did for your character , i say most as this char has had a namechange halfway so my record for the first 3 years is under a different name yet the same character as again my corphistory will show.


And yes this character currently is in an npc corp because of a few things , rl is verry busy so not much time the last 2 months to log in but mostly because my heart lies with nullsec but seeing how that is currently i rather await the new changes before i head back there.I've been in the last great war and i have enjoyed frigskirmishes in fw space more then that whole war including B-R.


I actually shouldn't even reply though as this is the third time you fail to see that a lot of people who are for this change have the same or more experience in nullsec warfare then you , and yet you just keep thinking that that is IMPOSSIBLE.Just as you assumed that someone with ann npc tag MUST be a forumalt.Your so full of prejudices it is blocking you from thinking straight.

Yet another perfect example of why my sig even though it's an old one keeps it's value.


All I got from that was blah blah blah I'm so pro your so noob and if that's the case why pad your board with RVB fleets surely a pro such as yourself has no end of experience killing people.

Wait a min maybe not I don't pad my board with RVB so I don't give two fucks about your kill board don't let the threadnaught hit you too hard when you leave.
flakeys
Doomheim
#5880 - 2014-10-03 18:56:03 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
To all the goons still crying over this:

CCP is not trying to ruin the game, they are trying to ruin your game.



I think we found a new pshhhhhhhhh Lol .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.