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ok maybe i'm wrong but with current changes to jumpfreigthers they are rendered pretty much useless since from now on you will pretty much need a full fleet assisting em

assuming we do not want to do 20+ jumps

so a logic solution would be to go back the old ways and use freighters and have a fleet travel with em
they are a lot cheaper and can hold more cargo or choose for defenses compared to a jumpfreighter they are now a much more valid way of travel again

so why not simply take jumpfreighters out of the game and reimburse the sp

pretty please ?

From all my real life friends that sttoped playign the game , they stoped because nullsec got boring and all blobby and about caps.

From the 6, 4 said they will resub in december to check it.

So you are wrong. The people that ccp LOST all these years are majorly because they do not like what you are defending.

I mean really we can all go back and forth, but number of subs two months after this is deployed will prove my point. I do hope I am wrong, but I know l am not unfortunately.

Again

Just popping in to throw an idea I already have and to state an opinion. The changes are not good, regardless to what anyone says. There is no reason to penalize capital ships, as part of the feature is being able to move large amounts of stuff around the universe.

One of the points of the carriers is being able to move large amount of smaller ships in its bay. Taking away their ability takes away one of the main function that is a carrier, transport of other ships. For many, the carrier is a way they keep their combat ships with them as they travel to null, or low, to do whatever activity they do.

The JF and Rorqual, or mini JF, are the main staple of moving large quantities of items. Removing their capability to do this will not only destroy a vibrant market, it will also cause many smaller alliance / corps to be unable to function in null. If the thought here is to break up the "blue donut", I hate this term, then you will just being doing the opposite by removing jump capability. Suggesting them move through gates in null or low sec is pretty ridiculous. We were born at night, just not last night.

I think the idea I really hate is that game developers think we need to break up alliances, which will naturally occur on its own due to the mental instability I have seen that come from many of them. This game is suppose to be an open experience, coming in and putting mechanics because people are innovative enough to claim large regions is counter productive to this goal. If the rest of us want a piece of the action, you have to get organized and find a way to do it, whether through politics or brute force.

For the record, I dislike PL, goons and the entire cross eyed thing, but at the same time this market thrives off all these that we hate. Without titan, super and capital losses, the economy will not be as lucrative as it is right now. Everything is not too bad right now, from ice mining to mineral compression and hauling. I have enjoyed the game far more over the last few months than I have in a long time. When we think about putting a mechanic in that attempts to hamper a group, it usually has the effect of blowing up in one's face. Also without the smooth larger alliances all the tech 2 items that EVERYONE enjoys will become harder to do and prices will skyrocket.

Solution ? There are a lot suggested by a lot better people than myself, but here is a few ideas. Just remove the rorqual and JF from the whole I get dizzy when I jump, although for years we have jumped more than MC Hammer. This will allow the movement of goods around the universe and keep prices fairly steady. Also, rethink your idea of how sov is done, there are other ways around breaking up alliances, than putting in mechanics that penalize everyone, big and small. Again, I am against the break up of alliances as it always happens on its own. I have been here for 11 years, it ALWAYS happens. I remember the whining about BoB way back, that came to an end did it not ? Again, a good portion of the leadership in larger alliances cause the destruction of their own alliance. No need to put mechanics in that evolution takes care of already.

Lastly, as I am very opposed to the changes as I foresee the larger alliances just moving closer to the edges of low and making more problems than anyone wants. Instead of having the donut it will be a ring of fire that will be hard and very unpleasant to get through. This in effect will stop other alliances from going out to null, or the areas will just become renter, as they are now. In the end this is just an all around bad mechanic. Also, we forget that without capital ship losses as they are now, then one aspect of the economy may come crashing to the ground.

To this this effect I have unsubbed for now, not to be a drama queen, but to be in opposition for changes that are bad for this game all around. I play this game for the open feel of it, but slowly we are trying to put in mechanics that hamper this experience. I think this is such a bad idea that I see a decent percentage of people finding something else to do. I am hopeful that I will continue to enjoy this game, as I have for many years. However, having to spend weeks getting items to high sec will not be acceptable with me or others. The mechanics of free movement have been in the game too long. People have said way back we had to do it in fleets ectr. However, that was before the time where subs are where they are now and large fleets of titans were not present either. Also, there was a time where subs were maxed at 1k on the server and null was nothing but infinite jumps of nothingness where the few pirate corps like MoO dwealt. Lets not lose a bunch of subs because you want to break up an alliance that should not be broken up by a development group as is. This is what really bothers me the most, trying to remove groups of people that worked long and hard to hold their territory. You guys can not imagine the logistics and hours they have spent building up what they have. Don't make it all meaningless.

To the short sighted that say, give me your stuff dude and I love salty tears, I say this: earn my stuff dude and earn the space the rest have. I am sorry you can not get people together to oust the opposition, I truly am. However, you can not throw the chess board across the room before the other player is better than you. I never thought I would have to stick up for the asshats of the game.

Your real life friends are hardly a serious metric or statistic that could be taken into account. Look at the uproar in this thread citing the logistical difficulties that will stem from Grayscale's ~genius idea~. Now, that is a serious metric.

I hope CCP backflips when the unsubs start coming through

This will likely get lost in the 264+ pages already here, but maybe I'll get lucky and Greyscale will read this and take it into consideration.

Pod-express is not used just by cyno alts and new players to get into nullsec, but are used extensively in the NPSI public roam community. I am concerned that the inability to move your med clone easily could potentially have an unexpectedly negative impact on the ability for the NPSI roaming community to effectively function as it currently does.

Now, let me make it clear, I totally agree that med clones & pod-express need a major nerf, VERY much agree, but the proposed changes and one year limit consideration are not the solution to the problem.

In the NPSI community, not just my public roams but also Ganked, Spectre, and others, we form up a fleet and before we undock, we will tell the fleet to set their med clone to our staging system (typically Berta for Redemption Road Roams). We then take out our fleet and roam over a large region of space looking for fights. Our roams are usually exactly what CCP wants to see more of, if I understand the goals right - gangs of 35-60 mostly T1 cruiser-and-below ships, out and about, fighting all comers (although Ganked roams are usually more like 200+!).

We take just about any fight we can find, even when outnumbered. When the fleet whelps (which is 95% of the time when I'm FC lol!), everyone wakes up in the roam's staging system, reship, and goes back out again. On Redemption Road's public roams, I routinely will see a good portion of the fleet wake up in Berta, reship, and go back out again two or three times in a roam.

After the roam is over, some portion of the fleet will then change their med clone station back to their home station, then pod-express back home (often letting us kill them for the KM!)

With this change, you will no longer be able to move your med clone back to your home station unless you are actually physically there. Because of this, I am concerned that a good portion of the NPSI public roam community's regulars will now hesitate or outright refuse to set their med clone to the public roam's staging system, since they will now be unable to move their med clone back to their home station until they get back there. (Ya, I know, they can simply leave jump clones in our staging system and their home system, but that's not always feasible for some, especially our newer players and low skilled players).

This means reshipping and going back out repeatedly could be significantly hindered. I am concerned that 1/3rd to 1/2 of our fleets will wake up after a whelp in their home stations instead of Berta, because they couldn't/wouldn't move their med clones before we first undocked.

I agree that med clones should be nerfed, and dramatically so, but I beg you to reconsider the current proposed change to med clones. I suggest the following instead:

- Moving med clones is subject to the exact same timer as jump cloning. You can only change your med clone station once every 24 hours (or whatever your current jump clone timer skills permits).

- The stations you can remotely move your med clone are highly restricted. I suggest that you can remotely move your med clone to your corp's headquarters, your starter system that you were born in, and no other systems.

- This means that you can only move your med clone to a station you are currently located in (as currently proposed) or one of two other stations remotely, and only once per 24 hours.

By limiting remotely moving your med clone to only a very few systems (such as your corp headquarters and your starter system), you have the desired outcome that people are unable to simply death-clone all over multiple systems. By tying the movement of your medclone to your jump clone timer, you have an additional restriction in place that should further limit the use of pod-express to instantly move everywhere, and make it less likely to be abused as it currently is.

Just my two bytes. Hopefully worth more than that ;)

GG

At what length of time does a game stop being a game? With the timer capping at a month will we see people unsub to wait the month, since you have said that it will keep counting down while unsubbed? Jump/capital skills have already taken months/years to train only to then have potential month long cds. I think you guys should really look at a skill refund if players want it, this is a really radical change that trashed some peoples entire enjoyment of the game. To then spit in their face and tell them well just train something else then is just adding insult to injury.

On a completely different note, the continuous comments pointing out player stargates being implemented seems super silly as they nerf jump bridges (player stargates 1.0). Rename it how ever you want, it just seems like poor management to add the same mechanic twice only call it something else.