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January, huh? So..... like 9 months. Yeah, sure, mission runners don't do sh*t, but mission runners didn't ask for a sov overhaul either. I'd be a lot more amenable to the whole "content creator" schtick if you guys had actually created any of that "someone does something stupid with a titan" content in recent months.

the game is basically a different game there. Not a real parameter.

CCp can easily solve that by adjustments on troughput of moons.

On other hand super capital production will diminish and mineral prices will lower a tiny bit. The changes will ahve imapct sure, but not end of the world.

I played eve before all thsoe changes you said. YEs thigns were more expensive, but not sooo much. THey seemed much more expensive because tT1 hulls were much cheaper. I remember a vaga costed 260-300M back then. Ye smore expnsive. But seemed massively more expensive because a typhoon costed 50M :P

This will likely get lost in the 264+ pages already here, but maybe I'll get lucky and Greyscale will read this and take it into consideration.

Pod-express is not used just by cyno alts and new players to get into nullsec, but are used extensively in the NPSI public roam community. I am concerned that the inability to move your med clone easily could potentially have an unexpectedly negative impact on the ability for the NPSI roaming community to effectively function as it currently does.

Now, let me make it clear, I totally agree that med clones & pod-express need a major nerf, VERY much agree, but the proposed changes and one year limit consideration are not the solution to the problem.

In the NPSI community, not just my public roams but also Ganked, Spectre, and others, we form up a fleet and before we undock, we will tell the fleet to set their med clone to our staging system (typically Berta for Redemption Road Roams). We then take out our fleet and roam over a large region of space looking for fights. Our roams are usually exactly what CCP wants to see more of, if I understand the goals right - gangs of 35-60 mostly T1 cruiser-and-below ships, out and about, fighting all comers (although Ganked roams are usually more like 200+!).

We take just about any fight we can find, even when outnumbered. When the fleet whelps (which is 95% of the time when I'm FC lol!), everyone wakes up in the roam's staging system, reship, and goes back out again. On Redemption Road's public roams, I routinely will see a good portion of the fleet wake up in Berta, reship, and go back out again two or three times in a roam.

After the roam is over, some portion of the fleet will then change their med clone station back to their home station, then pod-express back home (often letting us kill them for the KM!)

With this change, you will no longer be able to move your med clone back to your home station unless you are actually physically there. Because of this, I am concerned that a good portion of the NPSI public roam community's regulars will now hesitate or outright refuse to set their med clone to the public roam's staging system, since they will now be unable to move their med clone back to their home station until they get back there. (Ya, I know, they can simply leave jump clones in our staging system and their home system, but that's not always feasible for some, especially our newer players and low skilled players. Somehow I don't think the intention is that training jump clones become a "required skill for your first weeks in Eve" like learning skills used to be).

This means reshipping and going back out repeatedly could be significantly hindered. I am concerned that 1/3rd to 1/2 of our fleets will wake up after a whelp in their home stations instead of Berta, because they couldn't/wouldn't move their med clones before we first undocked.

I agree that med clones should be nerfed, and dramatically so, but I beg you to reconsider the current proposed change to med clones. I suggest the following instead:

- Moving med clones is subject to the exact same timer as jump cloning. You can only change your med clone station once every 24 hours (or whatever your current jump clone timer skills permits).

- The stations you can remotely move your med clone are highly restricted. I suggest that you can remotely move your med clone to your corp's headquarters, your starter system that you were born in, and no other systems.

- This means that you can only move your med clone to a station you are currently located in (as currently proposed) or one of two other stations remotely, and only once per 24 hours.

By limiting remotely moving your med clone to only a very few systems (such as your corp headquarters and your starter system), you have the desired outcome that people are unable to simply death-clone all over multiple systems. By tying the movement of your medclone to your jump clone timer, you have an additional restriction in place that should further limit the use of pod-express to instantly move everywhere, and make it less likely to be abused as it currently is.

Just my two bytes. Hopefully worth more than that ;)

GG

You know why I support this idea?

Go back to Manny's thread from three months ago where he proposed very similar changes to the ones pushed forth by greyscale.

Guess what? I was against these changes for all of the reasons all of the nay sayers have put forth in this thread.

You know what happened in the past three months to change my views? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Jack f*cking sh*t happened in null. And that's unacceptable.

Those are the reasons for those changes.
Why are you deploying on the other side of eve, and if you are deploying prepare yourself, and make proper logistics.

Need some PVP, un blue some guys near home.

Are you saying that CCP will put more ISK in the pockets of organized, major entities that are and will still be able to control those moons? I don't think so, that is not a realistic expectation, nor is it desired from my personal standpoint.

Moreover, you still fail into account that it does not matter who mines the said goo, or how much they mine is unrelated to this problem. The problem will be moving that goo to production centers and the final product from that goo to the markets!

ok maybe i'm wrong but with current changes to jumpfreigthers they are rendered pretty much useless since from now on you will pretty much need a full fleet assisting em

assuming we do not want to do 20+ jumps

so a logic solution would be to go back the old ways and use freighters and have a fleet travel with em
they are a lot cheaper and can hold more cargo or choose for defenses compared to a jumpfreighter they are now a much more valid way of travel again

so why not simply take jumpfreighters out of the game and reimburse the sp

pretty please ?

More money now? Lol you are contradicting yourself. If the costs increase and ccp increase the toughput they are NOT putting more money into them.

Currently its surpassed all those :) Pretty amazing hey!

I mean really we can all go back and forth, but number of subs two months after this is deployed will prove my point. I do hope I am wrong, but I know l am not unfortunately.