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Could always just ad moon goo to WH

Problem : Less and less players are logging in and playing eve.

Solution : Implement your current proposed changes.

Result : You annoy even more players causing them to un-sub multiple dozen accounts each !

Brilliant plan CCP if you want to kill off this game and move onto other projects because
seriously at the rate your going the only ones playing your game will be Dev's.
Oh wait NO players NO need for Dev's job's complete !

Seriously CCP please STOP listening to the CSM and start listening to your players an exercise
some better thinking and problem solving while you still have a player base at all.

That is if you still want to see this game around in another 10 years !

Changes are needed to keep things fresh and interesting but your plans are a nerf bat too far.


264 pages of comments in 3 days and that number will rise significantly by the time you implement these changes.
That speaks volumes at the amount of disgruntled players your about to cause to quit.

I moved stuff for my ceo that had a BPO of cover ops cloak. And I do not remember prices being that high not even CLOSE on the period. And we did not use carriers, we used simple haulers (to minimize the risk of losing too much at a single time)

A LOT of peopel will resub as soon as they know about these changes. A LOT!

Had an idea to stop massed unsubs by cap ship toons.....make all cap ships immune to bubbles...you wanna stop them warping ? Then use a heavy dictor with infinate script. As a sop to super cap flyers, let them fit the infinate point...bring back the gate camping titan

Wow, what a proposal.

- Firstly, and I think i speak on behalf of nearly all capital pilots, eve is meant to be fun NOT WORK!!! Making the jump changes certainly makes eve more work and less fun. The whole thing about restricting jump clones is ********. Again, eve is meant to be fun not work. It will be such a hassle getting in the MILLION of cynos needed.

- I think the fatigue changes to capitals is perhaps not a bad thing, perhaps a bit harsh, but not too bad. It adds a bit of futuristic realism. The jump range on the other hand is far too harsh at 5ly. With or without fatigue, this nerf kills capitals. Half the reason why many people use carriers is for logistics. Its nice to have it, BECAUSE IT MAKES IT LESS WORK AND MORE PLAY!!!!! Perhaps rather restrict it to 9/10 ly plus fatigue.

- Then, CCP's pathetic craze to make the weak stronger is not achieved by this patch. Smaller alliances, when under attack, will not be able to call for help, so they are doomed. Large super fleets can steam roll everything, because of the extreme localization. This patch certainly makes it, the larger your super fleet is, the stronger you are.

- With the current nerfing craze on capital that is going on, there will be little point to dropping capitals on anything because a tiny subcap fleet will be stronger anyway. Capital ships are really expensive yet they can do ever less. First the fuel price increase, which was fine, and now this. Stop nerfing caps.

- Finally, nullsec logistics is pretty much over with this. How on earth are certain systems meant to be reached, when a system to system jump is more than 5ly? Which JF pilot in their right mind takes a gate with 20bil on board. I mean comon!!! Seriously.

Well CCP, atleast with this change you guys will make alot more Money, since everyone will have to activate 3 more accounts for cynos.

I appreciate the desire to make null more interesting, because it is stagnant, but THINK!!!
Thanks

Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated. A few words, I think this change will help the issues of nullsec and lowsec, but there need to be some additional changes to make it rewarding to set up your own small empire, to be independent and a sovereign entity. When we keep the current status quo and just change the "speed" of force projection, the current shape of nullsec will only slightly adjust. I think it's really important to create new NPC areas close to every region to enable more warfare and footholds for smaller entities - as well as creating the need for local forces to step up and defend their space, not sitting comfortably in the back of the drone regions with no one being able to actually reach them. If we keep the current regional isotope and moon goo distribution there's still the drive to own certain areas for the larger entities and no chance for the smaller ones to take a shot at it. With a more spread out variety of moons, isotopes and npc space you can create multiple regional hubs and power blocks who are happy to fight each other. Not 2-3 large forces sitting on their moons and doctrine capitals with the perfect isotopes they need. Make it possible for alliance to deploy somewhere and take a shot at every region, when you take away the chance to deploy rapidly over vast space, make it at least possible to be able to stage from backwater regions once you get there.

Without related changes to certain resource availability and the ability to retreat / stage from most areas you're just creating the incentive to keep blue-ing everybody again. Lower the regional differences, add npc space, the less need to be friends with everybody, the better the chances for a lot of action in 0.0.

so TLDR:

1. isotopes:
I think the relocation of ice wouldn't be too hard to do and would allow all regions to be self-sufficient. Or make it an upgradable iHub system that "changes" the composition of the ice forming in the near vicinity. Tons of way to do this, like cycling different racial ice in the anoms, etc.

2. NPC-Space:
Probably the most important change needed, they don't need to be vast regions like stain, just a few systems and stations - close to most regions to be able to deploy and retreat. When you take a look at most "deep" nullsec regions they lack the option to stage into them - create an opportunity to do so and we'll see a lot of action.

3. moon goo, t2 production
Awesome, probably best idea to check out how things develop and then tune it.

This thread keeps delivering. For the third time, I can't stop laughing

At what length of time does a game stop being a game? With the timer capping at a month will we see people unsub to wait the month, since you have said that it will keep counting down while unsubbed? Jump/capital skills have already taken months/years to train only to then have potential month long cds. I think you guys should really look at a skill refund if players want it, this is a really radical change that trashed some peoples entire enjoyment of the game. To then spit in their face and tell them well just train something else then is just adding insult to injury.



On a completely different note, the continuous comments pointing out player stargates being implemented seems super silly as they nerf jump bridges (player stargates 1.0). Rename it how ever you want, it just seems like poor management to add the same mechanic twice only call it something else.

Hi!

At first I was pretty scared about the changes, but to think of it, it's... well. More harder to play. And will change things in the game for the better.

There is one small issue I'm not really fond of, it's about portals and jump bridges. I would prefer a 50% or 10% reduction in fatigue for those way of jumping, as a subcap nerf with all the other changes will be (for me at least) too much in one release. I don't have specific numbers to give you, just a personal feeling.

The other issue that bothers me is the removal of podex. A lot of players use this. I use this on a daily basis. I understand that you want to remove the ability for players to instantly teleport somewhere and use their cap cache to defend a region, but this change will impact players that are not involved in this mechanism and that will make life harder for everyone.

I will take myself as an example.

I do some solo pvp in Caldari lowsec, in Black Rise. It's my way of having fun in this game.
I'm also a part of an alliance living in Catch, where I sometimes need to be for sov objectives, or even roams with my friends.
The distance (with gates) between the two is 36 jumps. I can only play for 2 hours a day.
With the patch, I will need to chose between the two. It will make the game less fun for me, as I will need to dedicate myself to nullsec or lowsec. Alts required if you want to have different ways of playing.

I love the principle of jump clones, but I find the cooldown too long for them to be an alternative for me. My idea was to have a jump clone cooldown to 6, reduced by 1 per level (so min is 1h) and have clone jumping give you a jump cooldown of something around 6 hours.
You can also increase jump clone cost, and decrease the total number of them you can have. If you can only have 3 clones per char, you can only have three places where you stock caps to defend.

This system is not perfect but won't nerf too hard subcaps pilots, who want to fly their frigates in peace :)

Anyway, thanks for the good work, it's nice to know that the community is heard and that devs are listening to our input.