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It was merely an example. Whatever it takes to make space valuable, shift it around. Make larger entities *want* to come out of their fortresses or risk their income. If the surrounding space around them becomes valuable and populated with small groups, then we've done something right. If they decide to try and annex these groups and deploy long-range drops that have been repelled, we've done something right. If those smaller groups decide to band together and grow together instead of joining the giant existing block, we've done something right.

You do realize most systems are bigger than 5 a.u right?


Hell its 1 a.u. from the Earth to the sun.


Just sayin.

That would be a valid point. I'd love to see development in nullsec, I think most nullsec dwellers would agree to that. But right now, nullsec does not have the tools to *be* self-sufficient. It relies on low end materials to be shipped in from hisec, because they simply do not exist in sufficient quantities in null. Likewise, hisec depends on high-end materials from null, because they don't exist in highsec.

It makes sense if you think about it, from an overall economic point of view. It forces the two to interact with each other for mutual economic sustainability and stability. It links the game together that we play, instead of having two isolated bastions.

Of course, I'd also love to see a narrative where nullsec schizm away from highsec and becomes slowly more self-sufficient, maybe as CCP begins seeding ores for us to do so, at which point we could finally have that entire Empire vs. Capsuller conflict that they've been running for a while now to come to a point. It would be...epic.

But I foresee a long-term problem with that in that it introduces a segregation in the game, or rather, exacerbates an already existing schizm. We already have a whole highsec vs. nullsec mentality going on. We interact and coexist because we *need* each other. If we became fully self-sufficient in null, then we wouldn't need highsec. If highsec became fully self-sufficient, it wouldn't need nullsec.

Nullsec has an intrinsic advantage if that comes to be true, because we've been out here waging sov warfare and stockpiling caps for years, while highsec has not been afforded that luxury, so the only force they have manning the proverbial gate with capitals is...Chribba.

It'll be a losing war, and no matter how many people say getting rid of highsec would be a good thing, it's a way of playing the game in this sandbox. As people are so fond of saying: it's a sandbox. Just because you don't agree with the way they're playing doesn't mean that they shouldn't be allowed to. They're paying for this game as much as you are.

Also, highsec is a nice reprieve from politics, for meeting friends, being...casual. Not that second job that's constant CTAs, alliance or corp ops, or even alliance logistics. We play to have fun. Gank if you want. Hotdrop if you want. Run freight if you want, whatever floats your boat. It's also a nice, relatively safe place for new players to start out and learn the game mechanics.

Highsec does have its value, just as nullsec does, just like lowsec. We all enjoy different things. It's a sandbox...shouldn't there be different things for us to do?

These changes will be good for eve. More people and more smaller groups will go to sov-space because they will be able to hold a system and get their share of the game. The neighborhoods will be more populated and dynamic. The ecosystem and political landscape will get far more interesting. The renting will hopefully stop - its an impudence to the players and the game and makes sov space a dead space. Me and my mates are looking forward to this.

I don't think he knows where the stuff to make t2 mods/ships come from. If null sec doesn't export moon goo to Jita (and uses it all for local production), there will be no T2 mods for High Sec.

The flaw of this analogy is that the rules you point out in RL aren't absolute, and breaking them isn't done "to win", whereas the rules in EVE are absolute, and pushing as hard as you can against them is necessary "to win". And guess what, this is a competition, and in a competition you do what you can "to win".

CCP have made rules which not only allows, but actively encourages what we've come up with, "to win". It's not the most fun, but we've we've put our name on the map, we're reaping the rewards, and we've "won". The oneous is on CCP to change the rules so what's allowed, and what's actively encouraged to do "to win", also turns out to be "fun". It's their game, it's their responsibility, and pretending it's actually the gamers' fault for utilizing the rules to the maximum is what the losers say to themselves (and others) to justify why they aren't the ones at the top.

't was about time!

Probably the best non-API related devblog I've ever read since I started playing EVE back in 2006. There's this itching urge to resub my main combat toon again.

It's also telling that a lot of unsubed and presumingly long-gone bittervets have crawled out of the wood and started posting on forums again, to express their excitement about this change.

Many thanks to the Nullsec Working Group and kudos for having the guts to come up with this drastic change. Much appreciated!

You know some words and phrases from CCP Greyscales devblog really eat at me:

"...we would anticipate..."

"This seems likely to ..."

"... ,we see the potential for..."

"... it seems plausible that..."

"... , but we don't want to make any firm predictions in this area."


Is it just me, or does this type of language really bother anyone else regarding such an important change?

OK massive massive discussion don't know if any one else did not point out this already but anyway here are my two cents.
IMHO the intended effect that CCP hopes for will not come to be, instead what will happen is that the power blocks will sit over the galaxy map draw projection circles on the map and then theirs pilots put jump clones and stash of capital ships in the middle of each circle ! and tadaaaa we are in the same **** as before only with insane number of capital ships laying around and collecting dust

Yep! A variable Sykes Picot agreement among the major Coalitions.

The sophistication of the EVE player/Null Sec Diplomat should never be underestimated - and if B0ttLord Accords can be executed, then the Coalitions carving up Null sec is easy - and will totally frustrate Yar! Captain Neckbeard will save yer game! approach.

Man I can't wait to see if that actually plays out! I will so lol @ CCP Greyscale and Co.