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How fked this community is. They are about to give the game the deathstrike, and some fanboys are even trying to support them with that. And the "hey can i have your stuff" comments are just disgusting.

Everyone is doing math, calculating numbers and bla bla. Just keep it simple as that;

It has been that way for 5 or 6 years. There are many years of skill trainning involved on the site of the players. I have skilled in a way so that i can properly into carrie. And now, because some Alliances are too mighty, every player gets fuked? How can you even try to justify that? Are you aware of the fact that Eve WILL die if that happens? Apparently not.

That some Alliances are too strong to maintain a real "gameplay" is not the players fault, its CCP´s. I skilled for a ship, i want that ship. Simple as that. There is still no pro-argument for the whole thing wich can be proven wrong in seconds.

Dont get me wrong, i love EVE, and i DONT wanna quit. But if they crap straight into my face they leave me no other option.
This is no minor change. This is a change you simply dont do in a 11 year old game, and they should know that.

But apperently we are stupid enough to just let them change a major part of the game, and even trying to justify this insolence.

Im fkn sad about this, and i hope Greyscale is ashamed for even considering this crap.

Because no one wants interbus to ship everything everywhere for no cost. That would be even dumber.

The problem with your attitude is that this is a GAME. WAITING to have fun is not part of the equation, and getting killed because you are impatient is stupid. This means the only way to play at your best is to sit around and do nothing (at least on that toon).

The changes are fine in principal the numbers are just to high.

Reduce the range of jump drives to the current Blops/Titan range, increase the reduction in fatigue so it takes 20 minutes to cool down to 0 after one jump not an hour, put a hard cap on the fatigue of somewhere between 24h and a week and give the same reduction bonus as jfs to blops and all subcaps going through bridges/jump bridges.

Seem reasonable enough to everyone?

I think it was ABBADON21 who said it best. In his words:

"CCP knows that Sov is broken, and if they aren’t furiously working on a fix they will continue to lose players to stagnation.

"...Which leads us to Force Projection.

"... if you roam with 10-15 BS you MUST have backup on stand by and even then it’s a 50/50 chance PL or some other group drops 50-100 supers on your fleet.

"Today you attack a procurer and get Titan Bridged by 100 people.

"So is EVE a game where you must be the biggest alliance with the most numbers and moons+renters or go home?

"OR is EVE a game where there is a counter to everything? An Interstellar Chess Match.

..."

But now people, please.... More timers? More complexity and more limitations? I don't think this is the answer. And the reason its not the answer is simple: it doesn't make the game more intuitive, it doesn't really make it more dynamic and interesting either.

To me Force Projection just lacks a correct risk vs reward ratio. How could it be that its possible to "Teleport" an entire fleet with innumerous Super Carriers and Titans with virtually no risk? An individual can light up a Cyno and have an entire fleet jump to it and there is no downside, inconvenience or risk to this huge tactical advantage? The timers approach I believe is an effort to adjust this deficiency but I think its possible to do it a better way, a more interesting way.

What if something like this happened:

You and your Corp mates are out on an Ishtar roam in low-sec. You run into a small gang who engage you. Almost immediatly you see a Cyno go up.

Now you know that with the new game mechanics you either take down the Cyno ship or run, and you don't have much time to think about it. You know that for every Light Year of travel, they will be in jump for 30 seconds. So if they are jumping from 3 Light Years, they will land in a minute and a half, if they are jumping from 10 ly, it will take 5 minutes. You don't know how far away they are but you better hurry and kill that Cyno ship or run.

Now if you succeed in destroying the Cyno ship, this will result in spreading out all the ships that were in a jump at random in different systems between their point of origin and destination. Obviously, this could be a very hazardous situation and some would almost certainly lose their ships to pirates if this happened. The Titan pilots would most certainly log off, some of the others would quickly burn out back to their home systems. You and your corp mates would kill the rest of the small gang with ease.

But of course, the small gang knows how this works and as soon as the Cyno is up, their tactic changes slightly and they direct a lot of their resources to protecting their Cyno ship cause they know that you will now make it primary for your fleet to kill. If you go for broke and stick it out and try to destroy that Cyno ship, it could be costly, because you could be in for a surprise when that fleet lands.

So what's it gonna be? Are you going to run? Or are you gonna try to destroy the Cyno ship before the first ships come through that Cyno? You feeling lucky?

Now some of the other things to take into consideration:

- If you are in the enemies home turf, I don't think it will be that big of a deal if you break their Cyno in time because they probably won't lose any ships. That's a good thing, its called the "Home advantage"

- This makes the game more intuitive and interesting, all kinds of strategies can evolve from something like this.

- It makes the game more dynamic and players will have to decide what to do on-the-fly, in the heat of things, rather than try to plan things out before-hand and do all kinds of logistical work (which gets boring fast).

- The smaller Cyno ships could jump others faster and the larger ones slower, easy to balance.

- If you're an FC or a cap pilot, how much confidence do you think you have to have to take that kind of risk? One second you're in jump, the next you're in a random system all by yourself.... "Oh crap! Cyno ship went down!"

- You will still have to allow Capitals to use gates in low and null

- You may still want to nerf range, but you shouldn't have to nerf it as much.

Lols

Games are supposed to be fun. Perhaps you've forgotten this?

My fun is pvp, large scale production, or wtf ever I think it is.

Your fun is faction warfare... Good for you... I ain't gonna tell you how to waste your life.

My fun is building capitals. I can still build them with ease, as I do have the infrastructure already. What I won't be able to do, is move them to market, or even sell them after this.

Imagine if they moved faction warfare to low/nullsec... Now you actually have to risk yourself to do what you want. How much fun is this? If you've gotta make 36 jumps to get to your mission? Then 36 back? What if you were doing it in a capital ship? minimum 2 hours.. With billions at risk for those hours?

Please tell me more about how I should play.

Why?
Explain why that would be dumber.

Isn't is just a pointless waste of time moving these things around?
Why do we need to make eve take more time? It's it all just pointless complication?

ok stagnation in one hand, or a single change that will break the stagnation, incourage sov holders to actually have to deffend there space because big bad PL is too far out of range, give the small groups a fighting chance at Sov 0.0, induse more small fights with local capitals without 100 supers jumping clear across the galaxy in a matter of moments, and encourage localized manufacturing(especially after the industrial changes which makes this easier).

yeah CCP must be breaking the game, why would they ever want to do this, right?

Supercaptials. Almost all those minerals are imported from empire along with all the moon minerals that 0.0 export to empire. T2 prices will spike hard.

Quick math test: how many blockade runners do I need and for how long per week to run 1 million m3 to null.

You can call me a liar all you want, but that is my transport need, regardless of the arguments you want to make about it. And I'm just a small corp.

EDIT: we already mine like crazy.