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I'm going to make one post, with the hope that the devs are still reading this thread. I'm gonna say this once.

Nerfing capitals into the ground is one thing (and that's what you're doing). I'm fine with that. But this is draconian.

More importantly, you're also obliterating so much more that relies on jump bridges, jump engines, and high-volume movement.

What happened to CCP Seagull saying, "We want to support content enablers!" (those who handle logistics, fuel, etc. that allow others to enjoy their gameplay)? With these changes, you've basically put your arm around them, cuddled them gently, then threw them to the ground and curbstomped them until they had a mouthful of broken teeth and bloody gums.

What about all those people who use carriers exclusively to move subcaps around? I move fitted ships in carriers - that's done. You can bet your ass I'm not going to be risking ships as wantonly now - replacing them in Tenal is that much more of a *****.

If your goal is to make null-sec untenable, then leave these changes as they are. If you want to force people (and that's what you're doing - forcing) to "buy local", then exempt jump freighters entirely and create a new carrier type that has a 20 LY range, a 2 mil m3 SMA, and no offensive capability whatsoever to enable people to move ships around and resupply. If you want to limit capital POWER, don't also headshot everything else that people use capitals for - namely, supplying all the things you want to see in null-sec.

As for me, until I see how this all shakes out, I'm halting my capital skill training entirely. I was training my alt to be able to fly carriers and dreads. Seeing that they're far less useful, I'm not doing that anymore. That's 3.5 bil in ships I'm not going to need (nor possibly result in lossmails, nor possibly result in me buying PLEX to replace).

It'd be really nice if you thought this through before you shot your content generators (logistics personnel) and make it VASTLY harder to supply null-sec empires.

I'm not unsubbing or anything based on these ideas, but this is a lazy solution to flawed null-sec code, which will make you enemies of the very people who null-sec relies on to keep that area of space interesting.

Yes, but unfortunately the 'weight' that will be shed will be the playerbase as they 'move on' to other games.

We don't need the alliance leaders to work this out, the line members can see where it's going. It's going to be more 'work' and less fun. All these clever pubbies claiming Goon/NC/PL tears just cant see it, if you make the game harder for the large groups in this way you make it 5x as hard for the small groups.

Lets take an example that most are familiar with Goonswarm in Deklein vs Mordus Angels in Pure Blind.

After this patch hits MoA are going to get stomped, hard and repeatedly. There will be 1000's of Goons back in their home region because they won't want to get stranded more than 10LY away from home. They will go after the only 'content' that is available, the closest alliance that is hostile to them, the only targets they can actually attack. Goons already have a thriving market in Dek, since the industry changes they have loads of industry happening there too. They have masses of players they have local supplies and they have really nothing else to do.

MoA on the other hand have far fewer players, sod all industry and rely on importing to supply their gameplay and running missions to keep the Isk coming in. They will literally run out of ships to fight in, and situations similar to this will play out all across nullsec.

No one will be invading Goons, no one will be invading NC., if people thought their space was untouchable before then it is 5x as secure after these changes. This is a nerf that will hit the coalitions hard for sure, but it will smack the smaller groups much, much harder.

That's really up to you, the players who currently live out there.

If you can't hack it living out there, then move. Someone willing to do the work will be happy to take the space off your hands. They'll probably be smarter, tougher, more determined, and more willing to put in the work needed to live in space that's not as convenient.

In short, they'll probably deserve it a helluva lot more than you do.

The ability of an APEX force to move, yes. But this nerf obliterates the ability of ANY force to move more than one subcap at a time.

Exempt jump freighters entirely (while giving them a longer range) and you're fine. Don't punish those who generate contents for everyone else. Let that cargo blow up as a subcap. Otherwise, no one is going to want to do logistics anymore, and null sec will die, not change.

No logistics = No life.

I hope CCP understands what is the meaning of using regional gates when he/she is in a JF.

I didn't find out until just last week that they weren't allowed to be in null sec. That was a shocker, but did explain a few things.

Omg the tears...

Do you people even read the OP?? You'd think they just deleted jump drives

Wait out your timer.
Save your melodrama.

LOL

I'd rather see them create a completely new avenue in the game where cyno-ing is more than just click and cyno is up.

You could get quite creative and concentrate on force projection limitation when on "un-soved" or "enemy soil" so to speak. I think about specific cyno modules and ships, and the inclusion of specific activities and requirements to fulfill before being "jump" capable.

I am all for changing how easy it is to project force but I actually think they are focusing on the wrong element of jumping.

The idea that I cannot jump for a month at a time WILL make me unsub. I do not think this is an unrealistic response from any cap pilot. Limit this to a day or two at most, otherwise I see no point in continuing to subscribe a super pilot if I literally cannot play the game absent gates. (Which is NOT acceptable for a super) I guarantee you that you will lose enough subscriptions from super/titan pilots from this change that it will ultimately hurt the game much more then it will benefit it.

Have you ever done a logistics run? Back and forth in a jump freighter can be 12 jumps. That's no longer possible. I don't care a bit about combat capitals jumping - I actually like that. It's the non-combat capital jumps that cause this thing to be ill-thought out and the consequence of a drunken brainstorming session, not a measured mechanic change.