EVE Information Portal

Expect the "iterations" to be tweaks to maximum jump distance, length of timers, timer decay rates, and the formula for increasing those timers. I wouldn't expect a massive change in implementation unless someone comes up with a better system that achieves the same outcome.

in other words, you won't be able to set your clone in a station without a medbay. which mean about 70% of all stations can't have a medclone. it may be somewhat workable, but wouldn't it be better to restrict setting medclones to stations within a constellation?
otherwise, the med-stations will be camped solid by wartargets and CODE. , locking pretty much everyone into the station.

Bring back the old doomsday..... Let nullbears "pipe bomb" themselves, their isk farms, their pos, their customs offices, etc to death 1000 times and they will learn their lesson, or not. What's the worst that can happen? That all nullbears turn blue to each other? Like right now? LOL.

The real problem is that ccp is run by nullbears, the csm and other alphabet soup entites related to the game are also run by nullbears and their pr machine run by nullbear exploits. Nullbears have created a game with all types of entitlements and minimal risk for nullbears having to prey on non nullbears to have fun. What a concept, there must be a reason no one in real life runs a company that way.....unless it's a thug run company in a thuggish country, not a subscription pay to play game.

It's funny that the best idea brought to the table by nullbears is to slow down the free movement of nullbears, lol, while keeping everything else the way that it is and even funnier, nullbears discussing the changes with other nullbears. You don't cure foot fungus by slowing down how much moisture seeps into a boot, you cure foot fungus by stopping all moisture seeping in, drying and aerating the boot and feet and by applying medicine. Not by having the fungus ask itself at what speed it wants to spread.

fyi - not in a big alliance, or even null at the moment, have experienced both though and been involved in large cap fights and alliance level logistics....



It really, really doesn't work like this and it never will. First of all, if you are right (and you're not) and these large alliances did shrink, they would pull into these deep, back (most profitable, safest) pockets, why on earth would they abandon them? they will work around the logistics problem. The issue is that the work-around simply isn't fun.

There are two types of players in eve that are involved with large corp/alliance level logistics, a very small subset of players that actually enjoy it, and the majority that do it because they know it needs doing so they help out. As it is today, this isn't a horribly fun task already, jumping around to refuel and remove goo from 12 different towers from your corp is slow, boring and tedious, doing it post-change means you have to sit around for 30minutes in each POS waiting for your fatigue to fade (assuming you can still reach all the towers with the new 5ly range). So now, poor little johnny logistics guy spends his entire play-session only refuling 1/5 of the corps towers, more people (who don't want to even be involved with logistics) have to now spend hours of their time doing it too.



If again, you were right (and you're still not) and the alliances held the areas next to low-sec and abandoned the deep-null, how exactly are people meant to get out there with such limited jump range, they would have to light multiple cyno's through hostile space that is filled with upset and bored capital pilots who daydream about shooting another capital again, if they saw a cyno go up in their neighborhood abandoned null,sec, they would definitely go out there and murder them all.



Again, I've not seen a single person in this thread complain that things are "fine the way they are", no one is crying and begging for it to not change, everyone who is complaining is complaining about how they want to change it.

Yes, power projection is too good, yes, it needs to be nerfed/changed, yes, it is wrong that a few huge groups in eve can basically go from Vale to Stain inside of 10 minutes, yes, this should be changed the point though is that the proposed change is f'ing terrible.

It's called a cartel and is illegal in the Union of Civilised European Countries

well yeah... ways to make the formula better... I fully support the idea but everything can always use a polishing pass.

Wait... wait... you don't have a scout or an alt... so how the **** do you cyno? And what do you so while you are waititng for yoru friend to get in position so you can cyno? You do understand that it will be pretty much the same except whoever is your damn cyno can scout for you as you move a bit closer while waititng for your next cyno to be lite right?

Good lord.

I thought you chumps wanted to expand Null Sec availability to players not Nerf it to such an extent it became worthless to own.

In general terms this Nerf applied to Combat Capital ships was probably going to be a good thing, applying it to Non Combat jump capable ships is probably the most detrimental thing I have ever heard CCP Dev's come out with in the years I have been playing EVE.

On the good side, 'For them that is' this Nerf when they force it through, and have no doubt the idiots will do just that, will render the need to correct Sov Mechanics unnecessary, Sov will collapse under it's own weight, No Sov negates the need for Alliances so solves that issue also.

Solves the PvE issue as well, no Sov means no security PvE will diminish to the back waters of EVE history then as everyone will be flying T1 ships, no PvE no T2 production that solves the market hub issues and as it cascades down through all levels of the game there is one good thing that will come out of this.

The need for constant game improvements will also fade away, who of us ever saw an upgrade to any FPS, even one with bling like what Eve has become so the need for these pesky Devs will diminish, a fact I doubt has not been lost on CCP management so EVE players will be able to settle into a daily round of buying there ships in station, undock, get killed, log off, rinse and repeat tomorrow safe in the knowledge that all the Devs have been made redundant happy they got just what they asked for.

Hubris or Sophrosyne..... Come on Greyscale I challenge you directly to choose which applies to you lot here.

1. Use wormholes.

2. Use BLOPS, which have a longer range.

3. Go around the gatecamps through a pipe that's not currently camped as heavily. In your Nano Nidhoggur gang.

Speaking of which, Greyscale: Pro click zone

It's for the greater good.