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i hear talk about logistic supply moving getting hit.. and blue ball fleets are going to be less cool and more local defense than SOV wide defense.. and that SOV will take a huge hit and make it harder to defend whats your..

but what about the ice miners getting you that fuel.. i mean i know the stuff isnt black gold like oil is IRL. but some people make a living off of ice mining alone.. you are telling each chunk of rock.. "NO.. WE DONT LIKE SOME PARTS OF YOU ANYMORE... cuz we are fat and dont wanna move as much so you are worth less to me!"

CCP the idea is nice.. but you didnt think about the little man.. the guy who mines in angymoone or emolgranlan or any of those other high sec zones let alone the null sec...

the ganks between 0.4 and 0.5 space are going to triple i bet after this patch. even off the beaten path sites will because... well you know the story.. someones gotta move the cargo..

CCP has really attacked you lowsec/nullsec guys with changes to the industry and now this.. I WAS THERE when ccp killed CFC / NC / PL / anyone holding more than a half dozen solar systems.

brave noobs are gonna have a interesting revamp to their game looking at their CFC revamped war doc.





at least the old school water bucket lines will show the value of stuff.. bucket gets filled with water "ISK/cargo" and as people move it along from "system/person" to "system/person" the water spills a little and then by the time it gets to where it needs to go and the last person dumps the bucket on the fire.. only a few drops made it..

When you say "it" you mean your real life time spent waiting for timers to expire right?

Thread is growing faster than I can keep up with, but I felt I needed to throw my support behind a couple ideas I've seen voiced here.

1. Freighters definitely need to be included with JFs and the Rorq for the 90% reduction in fatigue. Even though they don't have their own jump drives they use Jump Bridges regularly enough for commerce that they won't remain viable if they're subjected to 100% fatigue rates.

2. Differing fatigue rates based on ship size is something that should definitely be given more thought. Move Caps and Supercaps should definitely be made more difficult, but moving frigs and cruisers should not (or at least not to the same extent). If Caps and Supercaps are getting 1.0 fatigue I'd say Large ships (BS and their T2 variants) should be getting 0.7, Medium ships (Cruisers and their variants) should be getting 0.4, and Small ships (frigates etc...) should be at 0.1. I'd also like to see Shuttles given a role to avoid fatigue entirely but still be affected by the base Jump timer.

I recognize that this somewhat defeats the purpose of the changes by enabling cap ship pilots to bypass fatigue if they have ships cached around their areas, but the logistics of keeping more than a couple Caps/Supercaps stored 'just in case' for every area would be a reasonable trade off imo. The benefit of different fatigue rates for different ship classes would be improving the importance of sub-cap fleets and smaller ship engagements would become more frequent. I don't think that squashing the small fleet engagements would be worth the trade here. The ease with which you can get hot dropped by a carrier fleet definitely needs to be lessened, but I don't think the same can be said for sub caps.

3. Given the changes on the table I think that perhaps it's time to bring up allowing cynos and bridges to function in hisec. Not advocating caps in hisec, but if you're going to put heavy restrictions on jump travel why not allow it to reach into areas that it has historically not been able to reach? Perhaps anchoring a Jump Bridge could require faction standings with the Empire in control of the system?

CCP Greyscale, is the idea of putting fatigue on a ship hull and not being able to repackage the ship until fatigue is cleared even begin considered? This seems like a decent idea to me but I was wondering if CCP gave it any merit.

I never implied anything to the contrary. Too bad the logic skill was removed from the game, you clearly need it.

It's funny how people are bitching about the exponential growth and demand a fixed timer... because with this they already have a fixed timer after each jump - it's a one hour timer between each jump.
You are simply given the opportunity to jump before that timer expires but at the cost of increasing the timer next time.


Interestingly we wormholers keep hearing from you bluebbears that jumping caps through wormholes is completely safe and we are only a bunch of crybabys....
Doesn't look so safe anymore when you are expected to do it yourself, huh?

I lived with Brave Newbies for a few months when they invaded Catch. I am not a noob.

I did this maybe... 20 times. Some within a few minutes timespan. Did this both to move jump clones down there, as well as to go back and forth between the staging system of brave and the staging system of Spaceship Samurai's. The jump network wasn't up at that time.

I had assets at both places. I would pod myself, go fly with brave, when done, pod self again, go fly with sams. Pod self again, go PVE, Pod self again, go to highsec, buy crap, contract, Pod self AGAIN, back down in catch.

You want an example, there ya go. Instant teleportation, did not have to worry about chewing up my jump clone timers.

Is it done.. oh lord its done..A LOT.

I believe JFs pilots will only have 1.5 fatigue after the first jump. If I read that correctly. So logistics should be fine.

Power projection is why there are empty spaces in nullsec and large coalitions. Its why nullsec is stagnant.

When Goonswarm calls to remove all caps then you know there's a problem.

CCP nerfs Null...
River forms, full of Null tears.
Wormhole pilots grin.

CCP you dont want any more players in Eve.
I will Move all my ship to low sec and quit EVE there are so many other on-line game to spend my money on