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Just tell me one thing:

Who benefits from making nullsec logistics and industry more boring than it already is?


Welcome back freighter escorts. I will not be participating. And god forbid you forgot two modules for your new fit. Back you go through 27 jumps to pick it up.

These changes are ok'ish for combat capitals, they are way too much for JF/Rorq. Even with the 90% reduction

Getting kicked out of a corp, is actually joining an NPC corp. So you should get a free move upon getting booted. Then use your move to exit to your med station for the NPC corp.

Can I have your stuff?

Thanks for your input. Next time if you could suggest alternate options that would stimulate conflict more efficiently that would be swell.

Yup.

CCP is not trying to fix Null sec they are trying to change the way the game is played.

CCP Greyscale has stated as much, and I paraphrase - we don't want you to deploy, we want you to decide where you want to live.
The problem with this is that EVE players are creative. We want to play the game our way. So we are going to look for ways to do that and CCP Greyscale is going to look at ways to punish that behavior.

In my opinion Jump Drive Fatigue is designed to punish Jump Travel, what other purpose is there?

CCP Greyscale you want us to play a certain way.Can you please share that vision so we can help you determine the least painful way to achieve that.

Some Suggestions based upon your responses to questions and comments

1. Distinguish a difference between combat capitals and logistical capitals. - Combat capitals (Titans, Dreads, Carriers, Supers) have a limited Jump range as you propose - 5LY. (for role players or anyone who needs a reason - it's because of the weapons and defensive systems requiring all the ships power not leaving enough for extended jump range)

2. Non Combat capitals (Rorquals, Jump Freighters) have a reduced range maxing out at 10LY - This encourages industrial expansion

3. Farms and Fields - These changes will encourage local industry for Null sec. The range limitations and a limited Jump Fatigue will force alliances and blocs to local mfg. at the same time we don;t want to kill high sec industry so it needs to be balanced. The average industrial corp has no desire to relocate to null sec, forcing them to will produce as many tears as the current batch.

4. Limited Jump fatigue. CCP Greyscale wants us to use gates and he feels that the fixed length timer would need to be 51 minutes per jump to effectively force this. This is not practical, and its not fun. Neither is incurring a weeks worth of Jump Fatigue, It's probably the biggest problem I personally have with the proposed changes. It makes whole classes of ships useless and liabilities. You indicated that Jump clones were working as intended and no foreseeable timers would be enacted, I propose a similar jump drive limit. Each jump incurs a 1 minute per LY traveled delay plus a multiplier which reduces by 1 every 6 hours and resets to 1 at downtime

Example:
Jump 1 a 5 LY jump - 10 minute Fatigue timer and sets your jump counter to 2 ( 5 min = 5 min (jumped distance) + (5 (jumped distance) x 1 (current Counter))
Jump 2 a 5 LY Jump and 15 minute Fatigue and sets your jump counter to 3 (15 min = 5 min + (5 x 2 (jump counter when doing second jump))
Jump 3 a 5 LY Jump = 20 minute Fatigue and adds 1 to jump counter now 4 (20 min = 5 min +(5 min x 3)
Jump 4 a 5 LY Jump = 25 minute Fatigue and adds 1 to jump counter now 5 (5 min + (5 min x 4)

Result - 20 LY traveled in 4 jumps taking 70 minutes

When presented with this I believe FC's will choose to do a combination of Jumps and Gates to move a fleet saving the ability to jump as they get closer to the Target system. This still allows Caps to be USEFUL. The numbers can always be tweaked.

However I would beg you to reconsider any change that would result in a ship class being limited in such a way that it becomes a liability for periods greater than 24 hours.

When getting people to change their behavior it is usually better to make it as painless as possible. Almost like quitting smoking, gradual steps until desired results are achieved. If the change is too aggressive the cure may kill the patient.

they need special consideration because they're such incompetent/lazy groups that they can't run a frigate/shuttle op through a null entrance? there's no point to this. I would've thought that journey would expose new players to dying and sandbox stuff. null is supposed to be dangerous.

Of course 'they' do. Do you play games with the intention of letting your opposition score points?

If so I'd like to invite you to a friendly soccer match because I haven't won one of those in a while.

Actually, it worked just fine -- Goonswarm Federation unironically and legitimately encourages new players, primarily by recruiting them from the Something Awful forums. The proposed mechanic does everything we wanted it to do.

I need new shoes my are very wet. I read this thread for awhile but got bored

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for all you leaving contract your stuff to me.


For all the black ops crying about time to jump out... Find a better site to link stuff

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Whilst this change won't effect me in any way I have to say that this really feels like it's a string and sealing wax bodge-fix.

These proposals present the impression that theve' been created to sort out a larger fundamental problem.

If CCP wish to make travel a little more difficult in order to make the different areas of space have different markets then why not look at the Security Levels of the systems.

What makes, for example, a 0.6 system a 0.6 system? What happens if it has a revolution or something? I would rather that CCP looks at the mechanics of a system's security level being able to change for whatever reason.

Look at other ways to change what you want to acheive but this Fatigue Factor is wrong. We're supposed to be demigods and not some frail creature.

This new idea feels like a badly designed fix:, please do reconsider.