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CCP, could you answer this question - I didnt see it was brought up by anyone else, but I believe it's quite important.

My Gods someone in a large coalition that actually understands that these JF changes will kill the player/small corp logistics system.

Now that's novel thinking that should have been brought up in Iceland!

How do you plan on dealing with the fact that from provi to cobalt edge the distance between lowsec and nullsec is greater than 5ly and the few obv gated entrys will always be camped. Was this an oversight or do you intend for most of the east of nullsec to become completly deserted?

You want people to be self sustainable but with the way moogoo is its impossible to react and build locally. Its also next to impossible to build t1 locally without importing due to the massive lack of mex in nullsec.

How are people supposed to reach stain, npc delve, npc fountain? If your goal is to depopulate 1/3 or more of nullsec and make it next to unlivable then your acheiving that goal.

Driving so fast it require a level of concentration which cause extreme fatigue? Pass that load to another trucker if you want it to go further. Either an alt or someone else helping corp/alliance logistics.

Slept on this since yesterday and I still think that Jump Fatigue is not the way to resolve the force projection issue.

To me its seams to be a complicated solution to something that is actually a simple problem.

Scenario -
Alliances have spread out over vast systems and occupy them but do not utilise them.
Entities use the "Bat phone" when defending assets and attacking.
Current ease of how fleets are projected from one side of eve

All these scenarios happen because either "we can and "we're bored".

To stop the force projection it's not a case of implementing a complicated system such as Jump Fatigue and some calculation which will probably have associated Skill books to reduce said penalty.

In my eyes forcing someone to "wait" for enjoyment will only feed the unsubs. The reason why force projections occurs is because of the immediate chest beating and release of hormones which makes Eve so addictive. Removing this will hurt the game.

The only way in my eyes to stop force projection and allow small entities their piece of the pie i to have a system that caters for a little bit of yo-yo-ing and permit entites to "castle" themselves in a region. Cyno jammers will become useless if this changes goes through, on the other hand designated cyno ships that act as a beacon for certain capitals will make force projection difficult since a "capital cyno ship" spells danger.

The problem I see with our current system is how easy it is to put up a cyno. Forget cyno generators they've already been been through the grind hammer.

[u]Change the ease to which a cyno is deployed for capital ships/u] and you change the status quo of force projection.

The cyno mechanic is the thing that needs to be looked at not the act of being able to jump your ship(s).

After reading the devblog it looks to me that nullsec jumping will be changed from OP to downright nerfed-to-oblivion. This is NOT balancing. Jump sickness lasting months is not a good design. This is a game, after all, come on...

You, CCP, should carefully look at what your own Ytterbium, Fozzie and Rise did with ships. This is balancing. Learn from them!

We've been saying it all thread. And the CSM has stated publicly that a number of changes weren't shown to them until the very last minute. I'm willing to bet quite a lot this was one of them.

I just changed my mind.

Alliances should be able to to produce anything they need, forcing miners to mine and builders to build... in their own space.

I understand that there are those alliances out there that don't have an industrial wing and this will make it rough. But isn't that the point? Build your empire, make it your own and wage wars or make friends to get the things you need.

Obviously they are saying nothing is concrete yet. Understandable. But a lot of this if not all, can't be tested before it happens.

I would try and trust ccp on this. The number of active pilots is steadily decreasing and CCP knows it. They know people are getting bored. It would appear that they intend to keep making money from this sandbox they have created.

But what do I know

i dont think Super Capitals ( Titans and Motherships ) should not be able to use gates, should be forced to jump to cyno's.
also here is my suggestion how to do this

* Dont touch the max jump ranges, keep them as they are now.
* And also the Jump Fatigue is to powerful i think,

The Jump Calibration skill should effect how much jump fatigue you will get,
instead of multiply just add a certain base jump fatigue depending on Jump Calibration level
Base fatigue + Light years Traveled + any built up fatigue
this way we who have spent alot of time training Jump cal will atleast feel a Little better =P

Jump cal level -> Base fatigue

0 -> + 15
1 -> +10
2 -> +8
3 -> +6
4 -> +4
5 -> +2

ill do an example
we will do 4 jumps, with a fully skilled carrier pilot. so Jump calibration 5.




this way, you still get quite some timers and building up fatigue but at a okey level since you can infact jump longer. That way you wont kill pilots who live Deep into null
also if you now ever wanted to let regular captials ( Carriers, Dreads, Rorq ) back into high sec you could and let super captials still be stuck in low/null space.

That's my suggestion to this idea of yours,
i dont like it but it would be surviveble.

( some numbers as fatigue might be rounded up or down )

Dxella