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Dev Blog: Long-Distance Travel Changes Inbound

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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1461 - 2014-10-01 21:44:48 UTC
Scarlet Intelis wrote:

Protect their renters against what ? Sov Flipping ? This does nothing for the long timers which allows them to deploy regardless. Killing their renters ? They don't protect them against that anyway. So not sure what you're getting at.

are you telling me that the highsec miner fanficcing about the evil goons falling because of these changes didn't think things through

im not sure i can believe something so crazy
Medalyn Isis
Doomheim
#1462 - 2014-10-01 21:44:59 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
Lord Mantus wrote:
CCP Greyscale wrote:


Does this make it too difficult for new pilots to get out into 0.0?
Yes, it probably does. We are going to look at this tomorrow to try and make this easier.



Basically we didn't fully think of all the things this would effect before suggesting it, but who cares.


Quote:
Nope. Decided it was better to get feedback from players as early as possible, rather than trying to spot all the awkward cases ourselves and release a blog at the last minute. So far, it seems to be working.


a shame you didn't do the same thing with the module tiercide ... you guys have screwed that one up royally

Precisely. CCP Greyscale knows how to implement changes and make use of feedback from the community. Fozzie and Rise could do with a lesson from him with all the screw ups they've been involved in recently.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#1463 - 2014-10-01 21:45:38 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
[quote=Veers Belvar]

We use gates, it doesn't take long to get where we need to be.


More than enough time for all the ratting carriers to be reduced to rubble, and the MOA folks to be long gone. 20 minute trip by megathrons >> 1 minute deployment by cyno.

So who exactly is going to pay rental fees to you if you are going to be completely unable to protect them?
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#1464 - 2014-10-01 21:45:44 UTC
I can't remember but this is already looking more amusing than the nanonerf threadnaugt.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)
crazyr2
M.E.H
#1465 - 2014-10-01 21:45:46 UTC
I kind of understand the change and it does go someway to dealing with power projection and other things (like industry in 0.0) but I don't understand the jump range nerf - I see this as cutting off some regions (like stain).

I also wonder if the fatigue should be jump range related (maybe total range over 1 week or something) to limit power projection. To deal with those to come back to the game with their assets in deep 0.0, I would suggest a bigger allowance to those that haven't jumped in over 1 month or something.
ArmyOfMe
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#1466 - 2014-10-01 21:45:50 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
ArmyOfMe wrote:
Alp Khan wrote:


"Implemented a plan to change EVE Online from a MMO game to a full-time job for players, crashed subscriptions numbers which resulted in EVE Online getting shut down."

So far the only thing that has crashed sub numbers in this game is caused by a giant blue donut..... But yeah, i guess goons feel the need to blame ccp for that one as well.

Not a single **** was given to the ammount of goon tears in here.


Just to point out, this change just gave us a huge advantage.

Not sure if you'r actually beliving what Mittens have been telling you guys, or if you, unlike the rest of the guys in your alliance just has way less understanding of how things work, but it seems a lot of eve is willing to prove you wrong.

GM Guard > I must ask you not to use the petition option like this again but i personally would finish the chicken sandwich first so it won´t go to waste. The spaghetti will keep and you can use it the next time you get hungry. Best regards.
Nys Cron
EVE University
Ivy League
#1467 - 2014-10-01 21:46:03 UTC
Soridar Ravencroft wrote:
Nys Cron wrote:
Wormhole systems of larger entities will be even harder to siege because seeding caps becomes much harder. This also means that these large entities can't siege others as easily but either way content is decreased.



Larger entities can't siege????? You are joking right, as it's the larger groups that place most the caps on the markets. Not to mention a few of these entities have the funds to straight up produce alliance level caps, which they hand out to cap pilots. If you think I am joking just understand, many alliances give full replacements and offer bonuses if you have this or that. Also caps use to be an alliance level ship, controlled by said group, given out for use as needed. Thus many players know how to setup catches and control how they are used.

I for one hate this plan, but when it goes active will laugh as I will likely be flying a borrowed carrier and dread into most future fights. So less risk for me and you still get stomped on.


You are completely right but I was talking about w-space.

Thinking about it, I actually look forward to carrier roams now.
Zakatka Night
#1468 - 2014-10-01 21:46:23 UTC
cool idea - super!! P
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1469 - 2014-10-01 21:46:26 UTC
Bamboozlement wrote:


Thanks for eluding my point completely, there is no smartbombing going on in lowsec either because no bubbles, obviously.

Are the tears blurring your vision? Maybe you should get some rest this might be the first case of crying fatigue. LolLolLol

*unzip tear bottle* One refill please friend. LolLolLolLolP

you said pipebombing you idiot

i then deigned to correct you politely and you doubled down, and now appear to believe "pipebombing" means "smartbombing"

you have shamed multiple generations of your ancestors at this point you should probably cut your losses
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1470 - 2014-10-01 21:47:23 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:


More than enough time for all the ratting carriers to be reduced to rubble, and the MOA folks to be long gone. 20 minute trip by megathrons >> 1 minute deployment by cyno.

So who exactly is going to pay rental fees to you if you are going to be completely unable to protect them?


Implying that we protect dumb renters ratting in carriers now.
Medalyn Isis
Doomheim
#1471 - 2014-10-01 21:47:32 UTC
crazyr2 wrote:
I kind of understand the change and it does go someway to dealing with power projection and other things (like industry in 0.0) but I don't understand the jump range nerf - I see this as cutting off some regions (like stain).

It will cut off possibly a few regions, which is a good thing. Atm everything is just an amalgamated blob without any regard for the geography of the galaxy.
Matches 42
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1472 - 2014-10-01 21:48:20 UTC
Funny thing is that this not only screws everyone already living in null but it discourages anyone from being able to move there from the safety of hi-suck. All you idiot carebears only think its a good idea because of your sheer monumental ignorance of null-life.

I offer every comment to the contrary as evidence of that ignorance.

Carebears, how will CCP pay thier own staff when the big blocs mass-exodus from EVE and starve CCP of literally thousands of dollars a month in sub fees and plex-my-capital purchases. You can't have a game if the lions-share of subscribers leave the game permanently. .....and NO Mr. High Sec Miner, im so very much not referring to YOU as "the lion-share" of subscribers, lol
Im just gonna put the tip in, just for a moment, just to see how it feels.... 
Eyrun Mangeiri
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1473 - 2014-10-01 21:48:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Eyrun Mangeiri
baltec1 wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


More than enough time for all the ratting carriers to be reduced to rubble, and the MOA folks to be long gone. 20 minute trip by megathrons >> 1 minute deployment by cyno.

So who exactly is going to pay rental fees to you if you are going to be completely unable to protect them?


Implying that we protect dumb renters ratting in carriers now.


It's like the people are not knowing what they are talking about. Maybe they should read the CFC renter agreement. *g*

"Protection
You are responsible for the defense of your systems against roaming gangs, gankers, and the like. While many CFC pilots enjoy small gang PvP and may turn up on their own to shoot people roaming in rental space, we do not provide organized protection against anything but an invasion aimed at taking sov."

I can see what you see not - vision milky then eyes rot. When you turn they will be gone - whispering their hidden song.
Mr Omniblivion
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1474 - 2014-10-01 21:48:49 UTC
Speaking of renters, we're going to expand our rental program with these changes. Thanks!
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1475 - 2014-10-01 21:48:55 UTC
ArmyOfMe wrote:

Not sure if you'r actually beliving what Mittens have been telling you guys, or if you, unlike the rest of the guys in your alliance just has way less understanding of how things work, but it seems a lot of eve is willing to prove you wrong.

uh

have you been looking at the posters in this thread

if you're hoping for the wretched masses of highsec who are willing to post at us to be willing to help you fight us, boy are you in for a letdown
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1476 - 2014-10-01 21:49:10 UTC
ArmyOfMe wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
ArmyOfMe wrote:
Alp Khan wrote:


"Implemented a plan to change EVE Online from a MMO game to a full-time job for players, crashed subscriptions numbers which resulted in EVE Online getting shut down."

So far the only thing that has crashed sub numbers in this game is caused by a giant blue donut..... But yeah, i guess goons feel the need to blame ccp for that one as well.

Not a single **** was given to the ammount of goon tears in here.


Just to point out, this change just gave us a huge advantage.

Not sure if you'r actually beliving what Mittens have been telling you guys, or if you, unlike the rest of the guys in your alliance just has way less understanding of how things work, but it seems a lot of eve is willing to prove you wrong.


We dont depend upon our super fleet. From the moment this hits our massive subcap numbers and deployment of our sigs across our empire will show.
Onslaughtor
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#1477 - 2014-10-01 21:49:14 UTC
So 3 things

Jump bridge structures should not be effected or effected far less. Subcaps and caps useing them should be a thing as they are already short range and have fuel cost, and they are stationary.

Secondly the death-clone station thing. You should ALWAYS have the option to deathclone to your newplayer starting station. This is simply a preservation of a out if things go horribly wrong.

Third. With the range and time decreases caps will HAVE to be able to access highsec. It doesn't matter if you put limits on their ability to use any modules or even jump out from highsec. They HAVE to be able to use it simply to move in any realistic fashion, because the layout of the actual space does not support this change.


Things to note.

The range is way to short. 7.5 light years would be more realistic.

Fatigue should have a max limit.

Jump portals should have a reduced fatigue affect.
Thatt Guy
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1478 - 2014-10-01 21:49:20 UTC
FINALLY!!!

Faster for caps to use gates, but still retains the hotdrop....
PL/CFC won't be able to control the entire map.....
No more instant logistics from any point in EVE to Jita.....
Less worry that a cruiser in low-sec will be hotdropped....



GJ CCP, now fix sov so that noone can't own half the systems in EVE.

Overall, good stuff, but you better get out the sandbags to hold back the flood of tears!

Haters gonna hate, Trolls gonna troll.
Medalyn Isis
Doomheim
#1479 - 2014-10-01 21:49:38 UTC
Bamboozlement wrote:
Retar Aveymone wrote:
Bamboozlement wrote:
Retar Aveymone wrote:

something that doesn't work on interceptors because it relies on drag bubbling


Yep it's impossible to smartbomb/bomb interceptors.

it seems you don't know what pipebombing is and have shamed yourself and your family by posting something stupid, and have now decided to double-down by hoping nobody else does either

go home, child


Thanks for eluding my point completely, there is no smartbombing going on in lowsec either because no bubbles, obviously.

Are the tears blurring your vision? Maybe you should get some rest this might be the first case of crying fatigue. LolLolLol

*unzip tear bottle* One refill please friend. LolLolLolLolP

Pipe bombing and smart bombing gate camps are two COMPLETELY different things my friend. So it isn't that you point eluded anyone, it is that your point was dumb.
Lucrii Dei
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1480 - 2014-10-01 21:49:50 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


More than enough time for all the ratting carriers to be reduced to rubble, and the MOA folks to be long gone. 20 minute trip by megathrons >> 1 minute deployment by cyno.

So who exactly is going to pay rental fees to you if you are going to be completely unable to protect them?


Implying that we protect dumb renters ratting in carriers now.


Renting is why you have no content.

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