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Dev Blog: Long-Distance Travel Changes Inbound

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sHanQ Myteia
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#861 - 2014-10-01 19:44:18 UTC
Wormholes send their regards.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#862 - 2014-10-01 19:44:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Caldari 5 wrote:
I haven't read the entire thread, but have read the Dev Posts.

Has anyone considered the movement of materials via Jump Bridge using industrials with this change? Example that comes to mind is Mining and refining in a Minmatar station, and then using a Kyros to move the minerals at a latter stage to an Amarrian station for the use of capital production. Because lets face it that kind of movement isn't what I think CCP was trying to nerf. Possible solution would to be include all Industrials/Shuttles/Mining Barges/any other non combat ship in the JF/Rorq exception list.

Myself and others have suggested the Rorqual be given bridging capabilities for:
* Industrials
* Transports (both DST and BR)
* Mining Frigates
* Expedition Frigates
* Mining Barges
* Exhumers
* Orca
* Freighters

EDIT: Forgot to add the new frigates.
Keegan Teutorix
#863 - 2014-10-01 19:44:58 UTC
there doesn't seem to be any good reason to have fatigure or cooldown exceed, say, 3-4 days (the max length of a structure timer plus one day), so why not cap it there? how about a cap of one week?
Georgiy Giggle
Senclave
Apocalypse Now.
#864 - 2014-10-01 19:45:08 UTC
Woah! That looks like a first version of 'new' inventory!

Not mastering proprieties, won't become firmly established. - Confucius
Mephistophilis
Cygnus Alpha Syndicate
#865 - 2014-10-01 19:45:18 UTC
Urgh, seriously CCP? You've made a really tedious part of the game even more dull dull so terribly dullCry

Fatigue? I'm fatigued reading the notes! I don't wanna be fategued, leave caps as they are for the love of god stop trying to change the way a sand box works......

I've an idea for you, reset Eve to the way it was 9 years ago, sorry to sound like an old fart but man, those were fun days!

I'm glad you didn't do this a month ago, after returning to Eve after a spectacular ragequit 4 years ago, I can honestly say 'my stuff was alllll over the place', without my caps I'd have probably logged back off and rejoined hello kitty online

Rant over, going to spin my ships for a while
Bamboozlement
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#866 - 2014-10-01 19:45:22 UTC
Silk75 wrote:
Goodbye game as I've known it, never found a reason to quit until now, but well done, you've started my mind towards unsubbing now.

Way to go to make capitals completely unusable, way to go in making shipping goods to Null sec virtually impossible, and who the hell will play an end game where its very hard to play.

On the other hand the rise of the nano Nidhoggur will be funny as anything

PS Good luck making a video on null life after this.


Don't worry this will revitalize nullsec since it won't be as easy to drop caps on the small guys F1 monkeys like you that log to jump to a cyno aren't content creators.

Good riddance, can I have your stuff? LolLolLolLol

I have a Ph.D
0wl
Hailbird
#867 - 2014-10-01 19:45:35 UTC
Tenguboi wrote:
-4 accounts, good job Geyscale you must probably be the developer who singlehandedly lost most subscribed account sin any MMORPG ever


Ha! I know SO many people that will come back after hearing about these changes. REAL players, not you and your alts.
MonkeyBusiness Thiesant
Pandemic Unicorns
#868 - 2014-10-01 19:45:39 UTC
bp920091 wrote:
Congratulations CCP, you've made Stain and just about every single NPC 0.0 region uninhabitable.


I like the general thrust of the devblog, but the above is a valid response. Stain will be unreachable without going through sov,
Curse/Thukker will mean going through an oft-camped gate, and Venal will be seriously awkward (Lonetrek > midpoint in the Pure Blind mordus systems, then a jump into a non-station system in southern Venal).
Anonymous Forumposter
State War Academy
Caldari State
#869 - 2014-10-01 19:46:17 UTC
There seems to be a lot of complaining about the Cargo Running nerf.

They seem to be neglecting that CCP want's you to do industry everywhere, Not just in High sec and haul everything out to null sec. Spend more time building things in null and you won't have to haul everything from high.

This is just one tiny example of the overwhelming amount of shortsighted whining about everything is being ruined when all you have to do is re-strategize. There are solutions to everything everyone is complaining about. These changes will undoubtedly instigate a "Restrategizing race" that will revitalize all aspects of null.

Existing solutions will need to be thrown out and new plans will need to be drawn up. Some will succeed, Many more will fail. But there will be STUFF TO DO. EVE Is about overcoming challenges. CCP Is giving you some very large challenges to overcome. Stop complaining about CCP providing content to your "EVE IS DYING" game.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#870 - 2014-10-01 19:46:18 UTC
Max Dread wrote:
I say make the changes Devs, It the only way you will learn the outcome.
If you not listening to the community results are catastrophic.
End of discussion.


Regards,

Max Dread



How are they not listening? You idiots, being the community, have been calling for a power projection nerf for ages.

CCP gives you what you want, and then everyone goes crazy.

Do not ask for something if you are not prepared for the consequences.

This is eve, HTFU.

And as its earily, I personally think the numbers are a bit harsh and need a bit of tweeking, but overall I agree with the idea.

And for cred:

DaReaper
Former ASCN Member, Former Head of the Senate for the Brotherhood Of Steel alliance who owned space in Catch, Prov (before CVA took it) and Z-UZZN. Current leader of the mothballed The Last Brigade alliance, which held space in cloud ring and wicked creek after dominion.

Suck it up and adapt cupcakes

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Harkin Issier
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#871 - 2014-10-01 19:46:31 UTC
Ok so to sum up all the good ideas I've seen on Reddit on this topic:

  1. Replace the removal of medical clone placement with a 48hr+ cooldown timer on changing medical clone location. Or perhaps a 24hr+ waiting period on the change taking effect, followed by a 48hr+ cooldown. Would eliminate power projection without eliminating null newbros.
  2. Make jump fatigue effect an order of magnitude less for subcap pilots, allowing BLOPS gangs to act when they wish.
  3. Give all affected ships a flat 5LY maximum jump range, then make JDC accelerate the rate your jump drive fatigue dissipates.
  4. Possibly leave the jump range for the JF/Rorqual untouched so the logi guys don't biomass IRL.
Allison A'vani
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#872 - 2014-10-01 19:46:53 UTC
I might actually stop playing except during the AT if this change goes through. You might want to actually talk to your board of directors before pushing this change through due to the amount of alt accounts that will be unsubbed if this change goes through. I do not know why you would make such a poor decision that would alienate so many of your veteran players with the failure of WoD and DUST 514, your fiscal back bone of eve is looking to make a loss in 2015 if you make this change.
Archetype 66
Perkone
Caldari State
#873 - 2014-10-01 19:47:11 UTC
Taram Caldar wrote:
If anyone thinks this will really limit the veteran heavy alliances like PL/BL from hot dropping them they're delusional. These are pilots who already have multiple cap accounts. There is nothing stopping the large powerblocks from simply parking capital alts at strategic locations and just use the right alt for the right area. Or parking caps in multiple areas along with a jump clone in each and voila... they can instantly show up anywhere. Just means a bit more strategic placement of spare ships.


Not if you had timer after à jumpclone jump to activate a jumpdrive...say 30min or 1hour for example :)

+1 for those change, we don't where it leads but a good kick in the anthill should provide some fun for the next months.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#874 - 2014-10-01 19:47:17 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
ulililillia wrote:
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:
Stuff

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Lyrics to the song that CCP made the video of called Harden the Fu** up.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#875 - 2014-10-01 19:47:36 UTC
CCP Greyscale wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Chinicata Shihari wrote:
I know you wouldn't do this but just to show the facts

Spreadsheets are good for the mind https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IjH2JyeTd0suTC43REymnoiD2TF70HxbkRWqNtJjqds/edit#gid=0

yes that is 2.43 millennium.


sooo tl;dr: in this blog, CCP doesn't understand exponential growth?


The maths here are a fundamental part of the design.



The Slayer wrote:
Chinicata Shihari wrote:
I know you wouldn't do this but just to show the facts

Spreadsheets are good for the mind https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IjH2JyeTd0suTC43REymnoiD2TF70HxbkRWqNtJjqds/edit#gid=0

yes that is 2.43 millennium.


Just to play Devils Advocate here a bit if you wait out the fatigue timer instead of just the jump timer you can run this exact route in around 14 hours.



Yup, there's a lot of smart optimization opportunities here.


1. fair enough I guess, Just seems very heavy handed, and that is coming from someone who hasn't ever owned a cap. Maybe change the formula a bit so the first few jumps aren't hit as hard? I haven't had enough time to really think about it.

2. A jump every hour with gate travel in between jump timers is very feasible for large groups, for solo travel a cloak and/or logoffski for an hour should work alright. As you say though, the potential for optimization is there, which I mentioned in one of my other posts.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Daenna Chrysi
Omega Foundry Unit
Southern Legion Alliance
#876 - 2014-10-01 19:47:44 UTC
well this is going to make things interesting... NOT thrilled about it.

This has the feel of a quick patch, to solve a symptom of a deeper problem.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#877 - 2014-10-01 19:47:53 UTC
Bamboozlement wrote:
Silk75 wrote:
Goodbye game as I've known it, never found a reason to quit until now, but well done, you've started my mind towards unsubbing now.

Way to go to make capitals completely unusable, way to go in making shipping goods to Null sec virtually impossible, and who the hell will play an end game where its very hard to play.

On the other hand the rise of the nano Nidhoggur will be funny as anything

PS Good luck making a video on null life after this.


Don't worry this will revitalize nullsec since it won't be as easy to drop caps on the small guys F1 monkeys like you that log to jump to a cyno aren't content creators.

Good riddance, can I have your stuff? LolLolLolLol


You can have my stuff when I leave (in 15 more years), because I'll have way more stuff now that my Thanatos can Rat without having to worry about getting ganked if their are now blobs showing on my ingame map within 5 light years lol.

It's so funny to see people be too ignorant to realize that a change they like is actually going to screw THEM not the people they hate lol.
Milla Goodpussy
Garoun Investment Bank
#878 - 2014-10-01 19:47:55 UTC
Everyone just wait a minute.. its sounds bad right now.. but there's more.. there's the CCP fozzie fixes being applied

Jump Fatigue Reduction skill coming.. it'll have a 8x time multiplier and require advanced upgraded industry 5

we'll even have some new implants to make to help your clone out... introducing slot 11!!! .. 0.0!!!

who needs a jump drive when you can now use gates!.

the rorqual gets her rebalance now!! she can use gates!!... o_0!!

I think they're on drugs up there in Iceland seriously it has to be drug usage going on.


fire the dev team, fire the csm... fire all of them!!
Dennis Bergstrom
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#879 - 2014-10-01 19:48:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Dennis Bergstrom
Tora Bushido wrote:
Good timing CCP. I just bought my caps. What?



Sounds like you will be able to bring them to the 4-4 undock soon to gank Atrons......

DB
Bort Malice
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#880 - 2014-10-01 19:48:27 UTC
Bamboozlement wrote:


Don't worry this will revitalize nullsec since it won't be as easy to drop caps on the small guys F1 monkeys like you that log to jump to a cyno aren't content creators.



There wont be any small guys to drop on.

We wont be able to get out there or get back.