Wormholes

As per my post in the other thread:

to be fair the incursions have also been "fixed"

fk's sake. what IS it with the whiney BS attitude in WHs these days?
back in my day, sleepers RRed and got bonused in cataclysmics. now THAT was a grind fest.

PS: these changes have actual zero impact on cap escalation income/difficulty though solo marauders are probably entering sad phase.

What has to get fixed? Hyperion changes? I say no.
Mass Distance change doesn´t affect subcapital ship´s except orcas. So you have to close your holes with battleships. That isn´t a big deal.
New connectivity? Great! Increases risk very much, but it´s a way better than those 5 - 6 system chains we had before hyperion. Today it´s pretty easy to get everywhere in K-Space without rolling your static several times.
Wasted Wormhole Systems? This is what it used to be even before hyperion. You just didn't see it, because of the short chains. Sure some have left. But that aren´t so much as some want to make us believe. J-Space was already a waste land in the past months.
K162 Spawns? Ok. I think it´s a good compromise between gankers and victims.
Frig Holes? Useless, but not that bad at all.

And now those RR Fixing. Hell, what do you want? Doing C4/C5 Sites in a single tengu? You can still handle it in a marauder and if not, where is the problem to take a group of friends with you?

The only reason why we don´t do any C4 Sites at the moment is that its income is like you´re doing group mining in Highsec! (With a way more risk). And the only reason for that is, that you need a lot more people and time for preparing your hole.

Sorry but I can´t comprehend all that whine what was coming up in the past weeks. Hyperion was a big change to wh live, but the way J-Space works, is still great. It´s still a mostly randomized area and you always have to look behind you, if there isn´t someone who wants to stab you with his dagger right in your back.

From my point of view there are just 2 things that must be fixed in the future.

1) Comunication between CCP and their customers. The new changing period is good, but they have to inform us very, very faster about what they are changing!

2) Changing C1 - C4 (I don´t like to say low class, as there are no big differences in WH classes left) income abilities. The risk/reward ratio has to be right again.

Going hardcore Golum style on my sleepr loot in 3......2.....1....... "my precious.....nanoribbons.."

Also as stated it has little/no effect on C1-3 space. The only people truly affected by this are C4 residents/farmers, but I'll be damned if the sky isn't falling yet again.

Rolled Out is re.... oh wait, better not say that again.

It's always funny when people ask a question and then give the answer themselves a few sentences later.

Increasing risk is fine. Increasing risk while at the same time decreasing the rewards (which where already in a poor state to begin with) is not.

If you saw how effectively we can clean out high class wormhole sites you'd fall over dead if we decided to come run Incursions.

Be careful what you wish for.

Sigh....

Downstream effects. Those are the things that we should all be paying attention to when talking about/thinking about either proposed CCP changes or realized CCP changes as this appears to be. That's my point.

Ongoing apathy towards things under "Well it doesn't affect me." is largely how the various areas in the game have devolved into the circlejerk of "This is ****** or that is ****** or that is free intel, riskless isk, etcetc" and is frankly disappointing to see.

But too, isn't something you and I haven't beaten to death over drinks and/or G+Talk.

TTYL

im fine with group content but this really puts the hurt on the smaller corps, 1 dude in a marauder clearing sites in a blinged out ship not being able to run sites anymore for completely dumb isk is fine. However this really puts the hurt on dudes trying to clear c5's in 4-5 man groups before we could do 3 but it'd be slow till more corp mates showed up. After this change we cant attempt a site in tengu's at all anymore even with 5 people, as all but the worst site will approach a total slog to clear. Domi's have faired a bit better but can still run into issues.

This change hasnt effected our capital clearing at all since we basically volley the BS off the field, its a straight kick in the nads to our lower sp and non capital using members. As i said before if its intended fine thats life we will adjust just as we did to the apparently broken mechanics but if the intention was to destroy non capital using worm-hole groups living in higher tier wormhole space thats going to cause quite a few wh corps to close up shop.

Now incursion runners will complain that they need 10 people to run a site but if you cram 10 people into a c5 and run a site you are splitting 200m 10 ways the amount of time and lack of sites would cause that group to make hardly any isk.