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Unnerf tracking enhance and warp sped
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Neckbeard Nolyfe
Zero Fun Allowed
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#21 - 2014-09-25 19:43:11 UTC
Medium ac's need a nerf as their range is op atm.

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Vincintius Agrippa
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#22 - 2014-09-25 20:47:39 UTC
Medium and above railguns absolutely blow balls on non gallente ships. They track like sh*t. Do dps like sh*t. Gallent have tracking bonus and damage bonus. Despite this rails still suck balls. 
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Hicksimus
Torgue
#23 - 2014-09-25 21:02:39 UTC
Baali Tekitsu wrote:

ROAM 40 jump in talos warship so long y u do disss


At least the Talos looks BA when it warps......in ugly ships I fall asleep before I get to the next gate.

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Furnace
#24 - 2014-09-26 03:30:08 UTC
Neckbeard Nolyfe wrote:
Medium ac's need a nerf as their range is op atm.

I'm too tired to detect sarcasm so I'm just going to call you ********.

RIP kiting with blasters

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Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-09-26 03:47:25 UTC
Liam Inkuras wrote:
RIP kiting with blasters


Why should you be able to kite with the absolute shortest range weapon system in the entire game?

Does not compute.
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
#26 - 2014-09-26 12:21:27 UTC
Sal Landry wrote:
Liam Inkuras wrote:
RIP kiting with blasters


Why should you be able to kite with the absolute shortest range weapon system in the entire game?

Does not compute.


Youre right it makes no sense one should be able to kite with ACs but blasters should be OK.

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Vincintius Agrippa
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#27 - 2014-09-26 22:28:08 UTC
Remember Large Blaster range/damage>medium blaster range/damage :). Blasters have most damge and tracking, but shortest range of any system.. Period. Large blasters have more range, so you can "kite", but mostly out of web range. Add some tracking enhancers on a tracking and bonused ship like the talos and you can hit to 20-24km. Even with the damage reduction in damage of long range ammo, Battleship grade blasters can still face melt. 20km may seem op, but railguns can hit to over 250km on certain hulls. Pulse lasers max 30km with scorch, beam lasers, almost 200km. missiles....etc.

Autocannons are fine.
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Neckbeard Nolyfe
Zero Fun Allowed
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#28 - 2014-09-29 00:14:30 UTC
Vincintius Agrippa wrote:
Remember Large Blaster range/damage>medium blaster range/damage :). Blasters have most damge and tracking, but shortest range of any system.. Period. Large blasters have more range, so you can "kite", but mostly out of web range. Add some tracking enhancers on a tracking and bonused ship like the talos and you can hit to 20-24km. Even with the damage reduction in damage of long range ammo, Battleship grade blasters can still face melt. 20km may seem op, but railguns can hit to over 250km on certain hulls. Pulse lasers max 30km with scorch, beam lasers, almost 200km. missiles....etc.

Autocannons are fine.


Perhaps you could then explain how does a cane do more damage at 25km with heavy pulses and scorch, than with 50% bonused 425mm ac's with barrage?

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Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#29 - 2014-09-29 00:51:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Sal Landry
Baali Tekitsu wrote:

Youre right it makes no sense one should be able to kite with ACs but blasters should be OK.


So you support nerfing blaster damage to AC level then?

Or did you just want to have all the advantages with none of the disadvantages? Roll
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
#30 - 2014-09-29 01:14:52 UTC
Sal Landry wrote:
Baali Tekitsu wrote:

Youre right it makes no sense one should be able to kite with ACs but blasters should be OK.


So you support nerfing blaster damage to AC level then?

Or did you just want to have all the advantages with none of the disadvantages? Roll


Im saying that Autocanns as the most close range weapon system have no business in kiting but Blasters are a different thing.

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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2014-09-29 09:51:49 UTC
Petya Gladiator wrote:
PLzzz also nerf ecm.



What? I do nto see a single ECM boat around since they added the Sensor str skills. ECM i already at 1/4 of its former strength of old days.

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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2014-09-29 11:46:18 UTC
Use imps so you´ll have a faster warpspeed.


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Lugh Crow-Slave
#33 - 2014-09-29 11:56:36 UTC
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
Sal Landry wrote:
Baali Tekitsu wrote:

Youre right it makes no sense one should be able to kite with ACs but blasters should be OK.


So you support nerfing blaster damage to AC level then?

Or did you just want to have all the advantages with none of the disadvantages? Roll


Im saying that Autocanns as the most close range weapon system have no business in kiting but Blasters are a different thing.


but auto cannons aren't the closest range system blasters are

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-09-29 15:11:32 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
Sal Landry wrote:
Baali Tekitsu wrote:

Youre right it makes no sense one should be able to kite with ACs but blasters should be OK.


So you support nerfing blaster damage to AC level then?

Or did you just want to have all the advantages with none of the disadvantages? Roll


Im saying that Autocanns as the most close range weapon system have no business in kiting but Blasters are a different thing.


but auto cannons aren't the closest range system blasters are


Both of them should not be used to kite anyway except maybe with double range bonus ships as exception.
Vincintius Agrippa
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#35 - 2014-09-29 16:27:18 UTC
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
Sal Landry wrote:
Baali Tekitsu wrote:

Youre right it makes no sense one should be able to kite with ACs but blasters should be OK.


So you support nerfing blaster damage to AC level then?

Or did you just want to have all the advantages with none of the disadvantages? Roll


Im saying that Autocanns as the most close range weapon system have no business in kiting but Blasters are a different thing.



Autocannons don't do have any optimal. they are falloff based. medium autos have range in the late teens, blaster equivalent is like 5-6km on bonused hulls, maybe 8km.
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Vincintius Agrippa
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#36 - 2014-09-29 16:32:59 UTC
Neckbeard Nolyfe wrote:
Vincintius Agrippa wrote:
Remember Large Blaster range/damage>medium blaster range/damage :). Blasters have most damge and tracking, but shortest range of any system.. Period. Large blasters have more range, so you can "kite", but mostly out of web range. Add some tracking enhancers on a tracking and bonused ship like the talos and you can hit to 20-24km. Even with the damage reduction in damage of long range ammo, Battleship grade blasters can still face melt. 20km may seem op, but railguns can hit to over 250km on certain hulls. Pulse lasers max 30km with scorch, beam lasers, almost 200km. missiles....etc.

Autocannons are fine.


Perhaps you could then explain how does a cane do more damage at 25km with heavy pulses and scorch, than with 50% bonused 425mm ac's with barrage?


Use more gyros? Lmfao. I know you can hit 500dps with 425's and I only have minmatar bc 4.

Also worth noting, auto cannons do least amount of raw damage, however they make up with high rate of fire. Arties are the opposite, high damage, painfully low rof :(
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