Crime & Punishment

What benefits? CODE operates at a loss, a pretty big one at that. You even admitted this a page or two ago.

So, clearly since the benefits are zero unless the target does something incredibly stupid, I guess ganking needs to be buffed. I think a fifteen second reduction in CONCORD response speed for every system in highsec would do the trick.



It's not, it never was, and it never will be.

EVE is a game for real players, not people whose only aspiration is to be NPCs.

That's funny because I fly a 5 billion isk battleship all over highsec, and yet somehow I'm risk averse. But the dedicated -10 gank alts who never undock in a ship worth more than 100 mil, are not risk adverse, but "risk managers." Touche.

Yep. Because you don't want to accept the consequences of your actions, and want those consequences removed to make yourself feel better.

That's risk aversion. You are about as risk averse as it's possible to be.





Correct, they are managing the risk of the results of their actions. Thanks to facpo, they are attacked in any ship they undock in, so their range of available ships is sharply limited, and can only be a disposable ship.

If you don't like how they are forced to behave by this mechanic, well, TS. I for one think CCP should remove facpo from the game.

They already tried and gave up. I'm too competent for CODE, they go after the ships that dont shoot back. You are welcome to come try and gank me....better bring a whole bunch of buddies, might need the entire CFC to pull it off.

(A) I'm not CFC.
(B) I have lots of buddies that can fly bigger and badder ships than you.
(C) when I log in I don't bother with ganking. When I log in I'm busy defending my corps home and very right to hold sov, dodging people who want to kill me when exploring, or hunting people like you who fly ships that are way too expensive.

Why do you play a PvP game again? Because you do understand that's what this is right? A pvp game.

You can fly a ship like that around all day, but that newbro flying a little atron around pulling tackle, flying with no implants, and laughing hysterically with his buddies on comms, is ten times more badass than you and that overpriced ship you use to target little red crosses and click f1.


And as for the CFC...if they wanted you ganked it would happen. No matter what you were flying. I'm pretty sure 500 catalysts would get the job done.. And I'm positive they could field that if they wanted.

My brain nearly melted when I read this, but after some deep breathing, I have confirmed to myself that I am indeed still conscious and not in a mad dream.

1. The scarcity of materials is largely player-driven. Take the Mach. It's scarcity is determined by the rate at which players get BPCs and build them (or trade LP whatever). Believe it not, and I understand this may be hard to grasp, but even the tritanium supply is determined by... players! Of course, CCP put roids here and there, but they don't force players to mine.

2. That any Machs die at all to anything, is player-driven. Do I really need to say more? Nobody forced you to enter that mission and die to rats. Nobody forced you to fit and fly your Mach such that 10 catalysts would reduce it to a wreck. Players make choices and things happen.

3. Almost all prices are player-driven, apart from some items sold by NPCs. You say that mineral cost is not player driven? Did you know that when you sell minerals, you can change the price? Try it!

4. I don't think anyone is going to believe your claims that you are a PvP expert, sorry

Let's take Veer's proposition and mind experiment it for a moment. We'll say, it takes 1 ISK to kill 1 ISK. That's nice and fair, right?


Gankers will still win. I gots no problems running missions and such on one char, then funneling that ISK over to a gank character. I'm also pretty sure I could persuade a few other like-minded people to get together, and help mass funds to meet the 1 ISK per gank number. We might even bundle it all up under a collective umbrella, and "SRP" each other.


Leaving out the "other people" aspect of it, what's your EVE entertainment budget like, RL? Since we're doing perfectly fair 1 ISK per ISK tanking, my pocketbook may come in to play. Maybe I can afford to blow $500 a month in PLEX, just to go out ganking people.


So, looks like ISK tanking won't work, lets try another way. Lets go with....one hour criminal timers. Welp, with 4 alts, I can get that down to a 15 minute time-out per gank. No biggy there either. Problem solved.

I know, lets try faster CONCORD response times! 1 second response no matter what. No way someone could just alpha a target down.....no, wait, you can. Darn, another idea out the window.



See, the point I'm trying to make here, is the only way you can get the "safety" some people want in highsec, is to remove ganking entirely. Removing ganking entirely comes with it's own kettle of fish, the most obvious being the market pretty much falling apart at the seams. Remember, the market lives on destruction, and there's more than just the first-order "I lost a ship I gotta buy a new one" things happening.

Dude I'm a ganking expert, it's not going to take 50000 characters to blow up your crappy ship.

The current system doesn't necessarily need fixing.

That said, if you were going to make a change, it would still need to entice equal or greater destruction of stuff.

Some ideas:
-Set additional limits on NPC corps, such as ship size docking restrictions in any highsec NPC system
-Decrease CONCORD response times
-Fix war dec mechanics so that they're more useful and/or accessible
-Expand the current faction warfare system

These changes would reduce the number of people getting randomly ganked, while at the same time encouraging more destruction by forcing people to join corporations rather than sitting in NPC corps. Does your hated enemy use NPC alts to move freighters worth of goods through empire? Well, in this solution, you'd be able to war dec that same alt corp and inflict continued damage to them.

Sure, ganking in empire is hilarious. However, I'd bet that there would be significantly more destruction with a change to NPC corps and war dec mechanics. More destruction and consumption is good for everyone!

Losing a Catalyst isn't consequence-free, especially if you do it every 15 minutes. Running at -10 in highsec isn't consequence-free and the significant penalties for doing so have been explained to you many times.

If you think there is not enough uncertainty for gankers the by all means, make some constructive proposal in F&I as how the variables that go into a gank can be made more unpredictable. But realize, that no matter what you suggest, it will not eliminate highsec ganking, including the CODE-style "screw profit and burn them all" ganking that seems to rankle you so much. The asymmetric destruction of ships and the idea that nowhere should be safe are integral design elements to the game, and as has been explained to you over and over, necessary for the game to function. Perhaps your energies would be better spent on a more constructive cause (maybe you can help fix sov?), or, If you cannot accept this reality of Eve, on another game.