Player Features and Ideas Discussion

because otherwise you could anchor a cyno beacon or jump bridge to circumvent the 25km restriction

also do they not have corp bookmarks where you live, even we in the cfc, largest jump bridge havers in the game, can fit our entire catalog in 200 bookmarks or so

Yeah thanks, those CFC bookmarks are my bookmarks too. Coalition and all that. Corp bookmarks, yada yada. Someone still has to go do it for no good reason relevant to the underlying issue of POS bumping.

Where a cyno beacon or jump bridge is anchored today has absolutely zero to do with what drove this change: bumping a ship inside the POS using a ship outside the shield that does not have the password. Jump bridges certainly had nothing to do with it and it would be an absolute stretch to say beacons did or even could. So linking them to the underlying POS bumping issue is unwarranted. Perhaps they just wanted to change them anyway, which is fine. But that's not what happened. They linked it to the POS bumping issue/solution.

Mate, no need for such butthurt.

You guys lost the flag event and cried hard until it was put up next to PL's. To then go about and ***** about people voicing their critiques of something which ultimately changed it from the original inception is pretty hypocritical. Your voice is worth less and less each time you accuse someone of breaking their company's NDA and other policies and quickly claim a grand conspiracy like you're the runt of the litter that spawned Gevlon Goblin. You seem like you could use a hug, would you like a hug?

This may be a tad bit better than the previous version... but it is still like applying a bandaid to the head when trying to fix a broken leg...

Why not just make it so that anything outside the POS shield that lacks either roles or password can only interact with the POS force field and not with anything inside the POS?

Is this by chance a fix/nerf to cyno bumping mechanics, when you can kill a carrier or jump freighter by bumping cyno ship off station, before said carrier/freighter loads into the system? Or will it work that way on poses exclusively?

not sure what this is trying to solve

if you can't light a cyno safely at a station, we'll just light them on gates into highsec and onto jump bridges (titan bridged freighters) instead

especially us in the cfc because we own all the 0.0 close to jita

and lawl if you think that putting displacement zones on gates is going to fly, imagine the gatecamp, 100% safe from hotdrop

all this does is bend over non-sov-havers and non-cfc havers so that you can fantasize about endless jf kills

I'm afraid he can read, it's just the comprehension of what he read that seems to be the issue.

because otherwise you have a bunch of one-off bullcrap that you have to compensate for, doing it this way is easier to implement

you all need to calm the heck down, i'm going to have to redo all of my bookmarks for GBS LOGISTICS AND FIVES SUPPORT [MY 5S] personally and I don't care because the number of bookmarks is just not that large, not even for us

interceptors exist and they warp fast

it just isn't important enough to have a conniption about it

Completely agree that re-doing bookmarks isn't that big of an issue. Combined across everyone it adds up, but the point is that shifting the locations has absolutely nothing to do with the POS bumping issue. AFAIK there is no "one-off bullcrap" to compensate for, but if you have examples that would be helpful. In the end, its really no big deal. It's just that there is no good reason to do it in the first place.

Edit - IDK, maybe its easier for them to code if they can just copy/paste for cynos, cyno gens and jump bridges. But I'm not sure "it's easier for CCP to code it" should be the driving force behind a change. If that was the case, just saying "it's an exploit and you WILL be banned" will likely halt those trying to skirt the edge. No coding involved.

Honestly the changes are okay as they introduce a bit more tactical skills when dropping on a POS and/or jumping into a POS for safety (apart from cyno'ing at 175km and warping down).

However, that being said the days of dropping short range dreads like the Moros is now going to require even more gimped fits. Especially when you factor in the earlier changes to dreads optimal and falloff + the changes to TE/TC. These will struggle to actively engage in a fight on a pos now.

The other issue that needs to be addressed is allowing capitals to stick their baby toe out of the shields and be able to assign fighters, rep, etc. The cyno zone should go both ways for the attacker and defender. A complete rebalance of measuring how a ship is deemed inside/outside of the shields; your ship must be 100% out of the shields (remember each ship has an actual length) before they can lock targets themselves and must be 100% inside the shields before they become unlockable. Fix that and the changes will be fine.