Player Features and Ideas Discussion

man if the most fun you had in 2007 was freighter ops i hope you got the mental health treatment you needed because that's just a horrible life to be living, a completely pleasureless year is a sign something is seriously wrong

i have had to organize and attend freighter ops recently - short ones, relatively speaking - and every bit of it sucked. there were no redeeming features whatsoever.

you cannot simply rely on local hubs because the eve economy is set up to require trading: ice, moon minerals, and regular minerals are regional. you simply must import low-ends, non-regional moon minerals, and the non-local isotopes at a bare minimum. that's not even including other stuff like datacores, faction mods, deadspace mods, decryptors and the like that all must be imported from somewhere else but aren't as big volume-wise

crius made it a lot more managable to do local production so the need for JFs is (hopefully) dwindling somewhat - I know we've turned from a net importer of t2 ships to a net exporter. but that doesn't mean we can survive without logistical lines to empire: you end jfs and we'll move to torrinos and supply ourselves with npc freighters

like i said i've got no fundamental opposition to making jfing somewhat riskier by making it no longer possible to cyno onto docking rings, but the idea of freighter ops as the standard for logitics is madness

you seem to be unfamiliar with how we play eve: online, a spaceship game

hella offtopic but even completely discounting minerals, you still have to deal with the other crap he talked about

0.0 cannot exist in a vacuum, the whole of the economy is predicated on inter-regional trade

True enough about ICE and local moon mins that you simply cant get in each region. though this could be fixed by making ice belts more random in the type of ice they have and adding more r8 and r32 moons to non racial space. I am sure the warp speed changes have made frieghters ops rather dull incomparion so what they were back in the day. For me the ops typically lead to content in form of being chaced or leading to fights. The best was when FREGE had to leave its space and we did a 15 frieghter escape op... that was so freaky i almost had a heart attack. i do agree removing the JF ability to jump to POS but i think think this should be enhaced to outposts too. that would give us the risk of old school frighter ops without killing todays jf

is that not part of the problem?

i think if it was actually inter-regional trade that would be awesome...

but inreality dont the major groupd n3/pl/cfc just end up taking all the regional moon mins in low sec anyways?

if there was some ability so that this was not actionable... like force projection nerfs so they cant protect all the low sec moons. would be a step in the right direction to impliment real inter-regional trade.

Agreed Do the same restriction for Cyno's as for Bridging. X amount away from the Shield. If EVE is truly supposed to be a game of RISK, do it across the board.

Yea, except this change adds zero risk to the game, it in fact makes nullsec unironically safer, by creating a larger permanent cyno jamming effect around pos shields. The changes should be focused around the core issue, titan bump field mechanics, not poses or cynos.

Anyone who think this is a change that adds risk in the game, does not understand how to use a cyno beacon properly, if at all. I in fact will spell it out to you since you don't seem to understand.

Step 1, creat bookmark @ warp distance from the beacon, with your pos shield in the middle
Step 2: jump in cap
Step 3: warp to bookmark at range, land in pos shield

Please explain yourself why this in any way stops me from moving my 250 man cap fleet from the North to the South just a second slower than i can now?

And while you are on it explain to me why Jump Freighter logistics (which you obviously never did) will be any harder now?

Anyone else sense the inspiration for clarion call v?

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