EVE General Discussion

I'd rather a functional game thanks.

Edit: btw that content you're looking for, you're it .

I sure wouldn't. If it was at all feasible as a payment model I mean.

Oh. I changed my mind.

The problem is you are thinking theme park MMO's. Who push out a whole bunch of re-skinned content (The boars are now blue and see through, it's 'new') that invalidates all previous expansions and creates a new grind to the new level cap.

EVE doesn't invalidate content. So most MMO's their actual content is only what is in the latest expansion, everything else is a grind to get there. EVE keeps all old content relevant, so these little 'tweaks' as you put it are actually creating more content than entire theme park expansions, because they make a bunch of old content more relevant in the overall meta of the game.

More interesting,driven community minded people willing to heard cats would achieve that,
James (whatever, code guy, you know who I'm on about) comes to mind.
A counter culture to code that wasn't based on hate would be perfect .

Problem is Code is visibly based on hate.
I've suggested some things that create more positive cultures at points, like missions/anomalies with multiple optional objectives that one person can't do all of them at once. So there is more point to working together than just gate camps and blobbing. WH's do very well for that, as do Incursions (Though Low needs the same cap raise as null is getting I think, to help them out there). But a lot of EVE's PvE content which is what most peoples bread & butter income is based on is all about solo. Because teaming up actually looses efficiency in nearly every case.

Anyway, that's getting off topic, like I said above. A small tweak to things (for example, 'Anchorable bubbles now have a life time of one week'. Seems tiny on the face of it.) will have huge shifts in the meta of EVE, and create immense gameplay.

*Flashes his 10 year vet status badge+ (seriously CCP i would pay a plex or two to have an official one..)

I'm going to make a few points. And yes i will repeat what others have said.

1) Expansions are dead. Get that in your head, there are nor more expansions. EvE has gone to a release cycle, more like patches. These are not Expansions, merely updates tot he game. New stuff will be added, but not as an expansion. Once you get that in your head, then its very easy to understand the new release model. so once again, there are no more expansions.

2) I have said this a few times, and i will say it again. EVE's old model sucked. Before incarnia, this is how it went, and you can seriously read about this stuff in old dev blogs. I will take two features and give you an example of what i mean:

CCP: Hey guys in out next expansion Revelations 1 we are going to change the current escrow system into a new and exciting more flexible contract system. You can use this system to buy and sell items like normal, you can also use this system as a CEO to do loan programs to your members. so if say someone wants a barge, you can give them a barge and they will have to use it to mine x amount, once they do that, it will be theirs. We are also going to give the alliances the ability to form treaties. So if say BoB is in Delv and Quirious they can form a treaties with FiX so that while bob and fix are in qurious they are blue, but if FiX goes into delv they become red. We will also look into new dynamic ways of utilize the bounty system. And guy this will be the first setup, we will go over this the next few expansions and make it truly awesome, so wait for that to come out in the next expansion in 6 weeks!"

one week later:

CCP: Sorry guys, we had to cut the bounty system from contracts, its just not going to work, but don;t worry we will address this at a later time.

another week.

CCP: Yea you know that loan program thing? Yea we had to cut and changed that, its now an open contract. It doesn;t quite work how we said it will but we will address it later.

three more weeks (one week till release)

CCP: Some of you are noticing the treaty system was not on sisi, yea we had to cut that. The corp and alliance code was to complex for us to do what we wanted. So we are going to put that on hold and will work on it over the next few months. Don;t worry guys, corp and alliance rehash is coming soon(tm)...

Rev 1 launches

CCP: ok guys let me introduce you to heat and all the cool stuff its going to do... whats that? No corp and alliances has to wait... i am talking about heat now...

And this example:

CCP: Hey guys, let me tell you about the cool mining features coming in Exodus. We are making it so corps can form alliances and because of that we are going to give these alliances more tools to gather resources. So we are introducing these new type of mining ships called a mining barge. We are also going to enable moon mining with pos! And we are thinking of adding a capital miner, but that will be way later. Also these new system will replace belts, we are making system wide asteroid belts, they will be huge with vast amounts of ore, and the chance to maybe get some moon ore and other special ore as well. I n addition we are going to introduce comet mining as an exciting update to the mining system. Look for all this in Nov 2004!

A few weeks later

CCP: Yea comet mining is out.. and we had to tweek the barges.

Nother few weeks

CCP: yea system wide belts are out, but don;t worry we will do something with mining in the future.


Now then. The new system, of small when its done features i think is a hell of a lot better. I think the issue is they need to finish the repairs of old systems before they add in new stuff. Think of it as trying to build a second story on a house that has rotting and falling walls and a broken foundation. You have to do repairs before you can upgrade. Thats what ccp is doing. Repairing.

3) To all the idiots stating "well if ccp had just kept dumping money into eve..." thats like telling Ford Hey henry, the model a is great, everyone loves it, you don;t nee dot make the model t or any other future cars, just keep working on that model a and you will do fine.

It doesn't; work that way. CCP is a software company. As such they need to add more products or in the long run they will die. So they will take risk, some will succeed, some won;t. As long as they balance there money and resources, then who cares. Eve is here, i can play it, and if other stuff come out that makes the experence better, or a whole new ip comes that makes ccp more money, then its a win win. and if they flounder, then oh well. I'm here till the end either way, i just hope its a long time away.

Let CCP fix all the minor issues that everyone has complained about since 2003 first then lets get some new content which will inevitably break the game again.


Remember the expansion that broke the auto pilot and all freighters went through decon?

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The map is big enough, so don't look for any new "zones".
I don't think they'll be introducing "mounts" any time soon, either. But, don't quote me.
Maybe if we had some nice capes with our logos on them...yeah...this Christmas.

EVE's Cloaky Cloak Expansion.

One thing that will help the situation you just described are the development of tools that will allow developers to more easily create new content.

This new release cycle actually promotes time being spent on back end (yet vital) work like this, as the team working on those tools doesn't have to worry about meeting a specific deadline while also producing something shiny for the players at the same time.

DaReaper, I was thinking about this mission for security status: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Security_status#Jeremy_Tacs

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So I think, but there is clearly the lack of quality management in that company that showeled money into WoD and Dust 514. Because of that I would advise them to stick to the winning side, and trying to upgrade their skills first, or start with something small, that can be build upon. EVE started that way, it was just a rudimentary grid of systems working together, with a lot of potential for expanding.