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Unicorns Rainbows
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-09-13 09:19:07 UTC
I want to make alts and suicide gank with them, or whatever else. I want to friend-invite them to my own account. Would that cause trouble or noep?
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#2 - 2014-09-13 09:24:42 UTC
As long as you do NOT recycle the alt it is okay.

Recycle the alt: delete it when sec standings get too low & train a new gank alt: This behavious is considered avoiding the consequences of your play.

If you intend to train the alt to gank and stop once all relevant skills are in place & continue to use this alt to gank with no intention to delete it once sec status gets too low, it's all fine.
You can repair sec standings in various ways (not podding helps alot in making it easier to repair standings)

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New Eden Tech Support
#3 - 2014-09-13 09:33:17 UTC
flakeys
Doomheim
#4 - 2014-09-13 09:35:19 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
As long as you do NOT recycle the alt it is okay.

Recycle the alt: delete it when sec standings get too low & train a new gank alt: This behavious is considered avoiding the consequences of your play.

If you intend to train the alt to gank and stop once all relevant skills are in place & continue to use this alt to gank with no intention to delete it once sec status gets too low, it's all fine.
You can repair sec standings in various ways (not podding helps alot in making it easier to repair standings)



It's a typical CCP rule , if you really wanted to get rid of such behaviour the easy solution would be that a character with -sec stat can NEVER be biomassed . Till that time because as far as i am aware you can still biomass characters with -sec stat there is nothing preventing you from doing so.

The only person who can say why a character is biomassed is the owner him/herself and there are a lot of 'general excuses' as to why the character was biomassed , like saying 'Didn't like the name of that character in the end and as you can't rename your character you forced me into biomassing it ' .

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Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-09-13 10:54:49 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
As long as you do NOT recycle the alt it is okay.

Recycle the alt: delete it when sec standings get too low & train a new gank alt: This behavious is considered avoiding the consequences of your play.

If you intend to train the alt to gank and stop once all relevant skills are in place & continue to use this alt to gank with no intention to delete it once sec status gets too low, it's all fine.
You can repair sec standings in various ways (not podding helps alot in making it easier to repair standings)



It's a typical CCP rule , if you really wanted to get rid of such behaviour the easy solution would be that a character with -sec stat can NEVER be biomassed . Till that time because as far as i am aware you can still biomass characters with -sec stat there is nothing preventing you from doing so.

The only person who can say why a character is biomassed is the owner him/herself and there are a lot of 'general excuses' as to why the character was biomassed , like saying 'Didn't like the name of that character in the end and as you can't rename your character you forced me into biomassing it ' .


That explanation works especially well when GM spots that you have 20-40 active kill rights against you valid for the next 4 weeks.
Seneca Auran
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2014-09-13 11:01:07 UTC
Adrie Atticus wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
As long as you do NOT recycle the alt it is okay.

Recycle the alt: delete it when sec standings get too low & train a new gank alt: This behavious is considered avoiding the consequences of your play.

If you intend to train the alt to gank and stop once all relevant skills are in place & continue to use this alt to gank with no intention to delete it once sec status gets too low, it's all fine.
You can repair sec standings in various ways (not podding helps alot in making it easier to repair standings)



It's a typical CCP rule , if you really wanted to get rid of such behaviour the easy solution would be that a character with -sec stat can NEVER be biomassed . Till that time because as far as i am aware you can still biomass characters with -sec stat there is nothing preventing you from doing so.

The only person who can say why a character is biomassed is the owner him/herself and there are a lot of 'general excuses' as to why the character was biomassed , like saying 'Didn't like the name of that character in the end and as you can't rename your character you forced me into biomassing it ' .


That explanation works especially well when GM spots that you have 20-40 active kill rights against you valid for the next 4 weeks.


Does CCP actually track biomassing and check the details of characters being deleted?
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#7 - 2014-09-13 11:09:07 UTC
Seneca Auran wrote:

Does CCP actually track biomassing and check the details of characters being deleted?


They do track it yes, but don't check details unless it's excessive. Has been explained in devblogs before that they got a variety of stuff they flag accounts for to keep a closer watch on in case of suspcious activity. I would imagine excessive biomassing is one of them.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#8 - 2014-09-13 11:11:08 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
Seneca Auran wrote:

Does CCP actually track biomassing and check the details of characters being deleted?


They do track it yes, but don't check details unless it's excessive. Has been explained in devblogs before that they got a variety of stuff they flag accounts for to keep a closer watch on in case of suspcious activity. I would imagine excessive biomassing is one of them.


Heh, this is pretty much the one thing they enforce seriously, as best I can tell.

Even biomassing a character who used to have negative sec status, that you ground up to positive, can send the GMs knocking at your door.

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Steppa Musana
Doomheim
#9 - 2014-09-13 11:31:20 UTC
You can't "friend-invite" to your own account, assuming you are referencing buddy invites.

This will create a new account, and this new account cannot be logged in at the same time as your old one, unless you PLEX it. If you do PLEX it, you get a free month on your main though, so might as well.

Since it's a different account, once it expires after the 21 or 51 days, it goes inactive. No need to biomass the char.

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Vyl Vit
#10 - 2014-09-13 12:12:11 UTC
If you have the patience to do this, you may be qualified to watch them repair tires at the local Firestone.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-09-13 13:31:55 UTC
Seneca Auran wrote:
Adrie Atticus wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
As long as you do NOT recycle the alt it is okay.

Recycle the alt: delete it when sec standings get too low & train a new gank alt: This behavious is considered avoiding the consequences of your play.

If you intend to train the alt to gank and stop once all relevant skills are in place & continue to use this alt to gank with no intention to delete it once sec status gets too low, it's all fine.
You can repair sec standings in various ways (not podding helps alot in making it easier to repair standings)



It's a typical CCP rule , if you really wanted to get rid of such behaviour the easy solution would be that a character with -sec stat can NEVER be biomassed . Till that time because as far as i am aware you can still biomass characters with -sec stat there is nothing preventing you from doing so.

The only person who can say why a character is biomassed is the owner him/herself and there are a lot of 'general excuses' as to why the character was biomassed , like saying 'Didn't like the name of that character in the end and as you can't rename your character you forced me into biomassing it ' .


That explanation works especially well when GM spots that you have 20-40 active kill rights against you valid for the next 4 weeks.


Does CCP actually track biomassing and check the details of characters being deleted?


Yes.

And as soon as you start doing it a lot, it will automatically sent a signal to your friendly GM to have a talk with you (best case scenario) or to just strike you with that big fat banhammer (worst case scenario).

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It's All About Me
#12 - 2014-09-13 14:31:38 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
completely fine


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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-09-13 15:10:10 UTC
Adrie Atticus wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
As long as you do NOT recycle the alt it is okay.

Recycle the alt: delete it when sec standings get too low & train a new gank alt: This behavious is considered avoiding the consequences of your play.

If you intend to train the alt to gank and stop once all relevant skills are in place & continue to use this alt to gank with no intention to delete it once sec status gets too low, it's all fine.
You can repair sec standings in various ways (not podding helps alot in making it easier to repair standings)



It's a typical CCP rule , if you really wanted to get rid of such behaviour the easy solution would be that a character with -sec stat can NEVER be biomassed . Till that time because as far as i am aware you can still biomass characters with -sec stat there is nothing preventing you from doing so.

The only person who can say why a character is biomassed is the owner him/herself and there are a lot of 'general excuses' as to why the character was biomassed , like saying 'Didn't like the name of that character in the end and as you can't rename your character you forced me into biomassing it ' .


That explanation works especially well when GM spots that you have 20-40 active kill rights against you valid for the next 4 weeks.


Kill rights mean nothing.

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Paranoid Loyd
#14 - 2014-09-13 16:27:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Kill rights mean nothing.


Untrue, they mean I can bait people into engaging me when they think I am a ganker that only shoots people who don't shoot back. Twisted

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#15 - 2014-09-13 18:30:44 UTC
Unicorns Rainbows wrote:
I want to make alts and suicide gank with them, or whatever else. I want to friend-invite them to my own account. Would that cause trouble or noep?
Do you have any free character slots? You start with 3 so if this is your only character you have 2 left on your current account.

Upside of doing it, you only pay one sub, downside you can only train one character at a time unless you pay to train multiple characters on one account. You can only have one character per account logged in at any one time, if you expressly need 2 characters at the same time then yes a buddy invite to yourself is fine.

More info on the buddy program is here

As above be careful with biomassing gank alts, CCP they no like it.

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#16 - 2014-09-13 18:56:23 UTC
No need to biomass, just make a new one.

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Solecist Project
#17 - 2014-09-13 20:59:46 UTC
Another thread with helpfull responses.

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... but wonder if I am in the wrong forum...

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Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-09-13 21:20:50 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Another thread with helpfull responses.

I am proud of you people!!
... but wonder if I am in the wrong forum...



I think you meant to express your surprise that a question was asked without OP blowing a fuse, embedding insults everywhere, or demonstrating their ignorance of basic game mechanics.

I, too, am surprised.

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Solecist Project
#19 - 2014-09-13 21:24:34 UTC
Nope.

Please don't lay words in my mouth and go check your attitude and reaction time.

Thank you. :)

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Hevymetal
POT Corp
#20 - 2014-09-14 14:38:28 UTC
flakeys wrote:

It's a typical CCP rule , if you really wanted to get rid of such behaviour the easy solution would be that a character with -sec stat can NEVER be biomassed . Till that time because as far as i am aware you can still biomass characters with -sec stat there is nothing preventing you from doing so.


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You think that would really put a damper on the recycled ganker accounts?